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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2010, 05:44:50 PM »
Winds remain at 135 mph as of 5 PM, and the pressure is 942 mb.  A tropical storm watch is now in effect for Bermuda.

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2010, 06:23:36 PM »
Winds remain at 135 mph as of 5 PM, and the pressure is 942 mb.  A tropical storm watch is now in effect for Bermuda.

TS watch? I thought they were just under a Hurricane Watch? Were they downgraded?


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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2010, 06:53:39 PM »
TS watch? I thought they were just under a Hurricane Watch? Were they downgraded?
No, this is the first time a watch has been issued.  Danielle is going to pass too far east for hurricane force winds to reach the island.

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2010, 07:49:11 PM »
Winds remain at 135 mph as of 5 PM, and the pressure is 942 mb.  A tropical storm watch is now in effect for Bermuda.

TS watch? I thought they were just under a Hurricane Watch? Were they downgraded?
They way TWC hyped it you might have gotten that impression. Not sure why they chose to harp Bermuda for this. Guess they wanted to keep interest up for a fish storm.

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2010, 07:58:03 PM »
Winds remain at 135 mph as of 5 PM, and the pressure is 942 mb.  A tropical storm watch is now in effect for Bermuda.

TS watch? I thought they were just under a Hurricane Watch? Were they downgraded?
They way TWC hyped it you might have gotten that impression. Not sure why they chose to harp Bermuda for this. Guess they wanted to keep interest up for a fish storm.

Hmm, that could be the case. I know I recall hearing Vivian saying they were under a Hurricane Watch during the tropical update for the 5pm advisory unless she misspoke. :unsure: :dunno:


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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2010, 11:40:49 AM »
Danielle has got the weirdest projected path right now. :blink: She just can't make up her mind on which direction she wants to go. :P You think the storm is going to keep going one way and then it drastically changes direction. I'm guessing Danielle will die out before hitting any land in Canada or Greenland, though, right? :unsure:




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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2010, 04:24:54 PM »
Winds remain at 135 mph as of 5 PM, and the pressure is 942 mb.  A tropical storm watch is now in effect for Bermuda.

TS watch? I thought they were just under a Hurricane Watch? Were they downgraded?
They way TWC hyped it you might have gotten that impression. Not sure why they chose to harp Bermuda for this. Guess they wanted to keep interest up for a fish storm.

Hmm, that could be the case. I know I recall hearing Vivian saying they were under a Hurricane Watch during the tropical update for the 5pm advisory unless she misspoke. :unsure: :dunno:
She could have misspoken. I would think there would only be TS Alerts for Bermuda, taking into consideration that the west side of the storm is usually the weakest part. (According to Dr. Knabb)

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2010, 05:49:24 PM »
There was only a tropical storm watch for Bermuda and nothing else, so someone indeed misspoke.  That watch has been discontinued now.  Danielle has weakened to winds of 105 mph, and it will become extratropical in about 2-3 days.

Danielle has got the weirdest projected path right now. :blink: She just can't make up her mind on which direction she wants to go. :P You think the storm is going to keep going one way and then it drastically changes direction. I'm guessing Danielle will die out before hitting any land in Canada or Greenland, though, right? :unsure:
That forecast track tells me that the hurricane will turn into a powerful mid-latitude storm that will merge into an upper level low (note the westward retrograde at the end).  Canada and Greenland will have to deal with this storm in some way.  Storms just don't die right away when they become extratropical.

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2010, 11:16:01 PM »
According to the latest projected paths, Danielle will no longer be making its big turn westward. :no: I guess some weather system that was going to re-direct it will no longer be doing so. Too bad, too, because I wanted to see where it would finally end up, either in Canada or Greenland. :(

Also, is Danielle still likely to hit the Titanic wreckage site? :dunno:

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2010, 01:36:55 PM »
Danielle is barely a hurricane with winds of 75 mph, and it's losing tropical characteristics right now.  Expect the last advisory to be issued for it later tonight.

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2010, 06:23:58 PM »
Danielle is barely a hurricane with winds of 75 mph, and it's losing tropical characteristics right now.  Expect the last advisory to be issued for it later tonight.

Patrick, what does it mean when a tropical cyclone is considered "extratropical" or "post-tropical"? :dunno: Because on one of its projected paths a few days ago, NOAA projected Danielle to become an extratropical hurricane. How is this possible? :unsure:

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2010, 09:49:20 PM »
Patrick, what does it mean when a tropical cyclone is considered "extratropical" or "post-tropical"? :dunno: Because on one of its projected paths a few days ago, NOAA projected Danielle to become an extratropical hurricane. How is this possible? :unsure:
Warning:  This is really long scientific explanation, so here it goes!

There are two types of cyclones in the world by structure.  Extratropical storms are asymmetric and have fronts, so these cyclones are dictated by temperature differences and wind shear in their background environments.  Yes, every time you see a low with a warm front and cold front in the mid-latitudes, it's an extratropical cyclone.  Tropical storms are symmetric and don't have any fronts.  They're able to form in areas of no wind shear and no temperature difference in their background environments.  We can go further and classify by the temperature as to whether the cyclones are cold-core or warm-core.  Upper-level ridges are overhead of warm-core storms, and upper-level troughs are overhead of cold-core storms.  A phase space showing the four possibilities of cyclones types (asymmetric vs. symmetric and warm-core vs. cold-core) was made by a Florida State researcher a couple decades ago to help us understand the spectrum of behavior and structure available for storms.

It's perfectly okay for cyclones to transition from one phase to another in that phase space, and Danielle is undergoing an extratropical transition as we speak.  It's transitioning from a warm-core symmetric (tropical) cyclone to a cold-core asymmetric (extratropical) cyclone.  Structurally, it's making a major change.  It'll lose the overhead upper-level ridge, and you'll soon see a cold front and a warm front form, which means you'll have temperature differences.  A stronger temperature difference is directly related to stronger vertical wind shear, so the increasing shear will tear up the symmetry of the storm and turn it into the comma-like storms we know.  It'll soon merge into the upper-level trough that's helping to steer the storm out to sea.  It may produce hurricane force winds of 74 mph or greater, but it won't look anything like a hurricane as it will have lost all its tropical characteristics.  NHC is then forced to declare it extratropical and cease advisories at that point.

Hope this helps, Andy!  Maybe I should bring back my thread where anyone can ask any kind of weather question to me, and I would try my best to answer them. :P

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2010, 11:03:15 PM »
Patrick, what does it mean when a tropical cyclone is considered "extratropical" or "post-tropical"? :dunno: Because on one of its projected paths a few days ago, NOAA projected Danielle to become an extratropical hurricane. How is this possible? :unsure:
Maybe I should bring back my thread where anyone can ask any kind of weather question to me, and I would try my best to answer them. :P

That wouldn't be a bad idea Patrick. It's nice to have a meteorologist at these forums to answer questions like these. :D

Long explanation, but it made sense and answered my question perfectly. Thanks. :biggrin:

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Re: Hurricane Danielle
« Reply #73 on: August 31, 2010, 04:42:36 AM »
That wouldn't be a bad idea Patrick. It's nice to have a meteorologist at these forums to answer questions like these. :D

Long explanation, but it made sense and answered my question perfectly. Thanks. :biggrin:
Yeah, sorry about the length.  If you had a college lecture on this concept, you'd understand why I couldn't shorten it much.  There already is a thread for taking weather questions that Gary created way back when I joined here, which I'll bump up for you all this morning to see.

Time to close activity on this thread as Danielle is no longer tropical, and NHC is finished with this storm.