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Christmas Blizzard? 12/24-12/27/10
« on: December 21, 2010, 05:02:53 PM »
Will there or Won't there be a blizzard?

« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 08:34:39 AM by gt1racer »

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 05:06:06 PM »
This potential storm has been on my mind for the last few days from model runs.  I'm afraid there will be something for the Northeast, but I couldn't tell you how much impact we'll see right now as the models have really struggled with a hodgepodge of solutions.

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 11:54:34 PM »
The Euro has been showing a monster storm for parts of VA and the east coast. However the GFS basically lost the system today. The Euro in general is a good model. Its struggled unfortunately last weekend. I doubt there will be a monster storm but I think there will be a decent storm for some areas. VA could be hard hit. Lots of cold air hanging around too. This storm is getting a lot of hype in the media because of the date.

Btw your video doesnt wor
« Last Edit: December 21, 2010, 11:58:31 PM by Martin »

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2010, 12:01:38 AM »

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 12:25:18 AM »
Btw your video doesnt work


Ya about that.. that's a story for another day

Meanwhile here's what my local station is saying



http://www1.whdh.com/weather/

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Saturday: Sunny & chilly for all the little whos in Whoville! Highs in the mid 30s. Clouds thicken, and snow could break out Christmas night...depending on the speed and track of the storm.

Sunday: Cloudy skies with some patchy light snow through the day---from a big ocean storm, if it's closer to the coast then it's a bigger storm for us--stay tuned! Low 30s.

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2010, 12:36:13 AM »
Here is what your forecast office is saying. I personally wouldnt trust anything tv mets say this far off. They always tend to stay on the safe side or just repeat the NWS
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SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY...CONFIDENCE IS QUITE HIGH THAT WE
WILL GET PRECIPITATED UPON...ESPECIALLY SUNDAY INTO MONDAY. BUT
AS FOR HOW MUCH AND WHERE AND WHAT TYPE...CONFIDENCE REMAINS LOW
AT THIS TIME DUE TO AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF MODEL DISPARITY.

GFS AND ITS ENSEMBLES REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH PAST FEW RUNS IN
WHIZZING THE STORM OUT TO SEA QUICKLY...GIVING US A SHOT OF SNOW
SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY. GFS DID NOT HAVE THE BEST TRACK RECORD
HOWEVER WITH THIS PREVIOUS STORM AND ALL OF THE SNOW ON CAPE COD
YESTERDAY.

THE CANADIAN GGEM HAS BY FAR THE MOST PROLIFIC PRECIPITATION
AMOUNTS. ITS SURFACE LOW DEEPENS TO 977 MB SOUTH OF THE EASTERN
TIP OF LONG ISLAND. HEAVY SNOW WOULD BREAK OUT ACROSS ALL OF
SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND ON THE FRONT END...FOLLOWED BY A CHANCE TO
RAIN IN THE EASTERN THIRD OR HALF OF THE AREA WITH THIS SCENARIO
AND WARMING ABOVE 0C SUNDAY NIGHT. WELL OVER A FOOT OF SNOW WOULD
OCCUR ON THE FRONT END. EASY TO GET EXCITED ABOUT THIS...EXCEPT
THAT IRONICALLY ALL OF THE GGEM ENSEMBLE MEMBERS ARE WELL TO THE
EAST...MORE IN LINE WITH THE GFS...THAN THE OPERATIONAL GGEM RUN.

THE 12Z ECMWF IS ALSO VERY IMPRESSIVE...WITH A LOW BOMBING TO 963 MB
OFF THE IMMEDIATE NEW JERSEY COAST...AND MUCH SLOWER THAN THE
OTHER MODELS WITH NO PRECIPITATION HERE UNTIL SUNDAY NIGHT. IT TOO
WOULD GIVE A DUMPING OF SNOW ON THE FRONT END FOLLOWED BY A CHANGE
TO RAIN IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE AREA. ITS TWIST IS THAT THE
UPPER AND SURFACE LOWS THEN SLIDE EAST TO EXACTLY THE BENCHMARK OF
40N 70W CAUSING ANY RAIN TO CHANGE BACK TO SNOW MONDAY THROUGH
MONDAY NIGHT. IT IS THE WESTERNMOST OUTLIER AT THE MOMENT. WILL
HAVE TO MONITOR ITS TRENDS.

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 12:40:39 AM »

Here is the CMC model. Bombs nicely

Then there is the GFS  :wacko:
« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 12:45:17 AM by Martin »

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2010, 02:09:05 AM »
OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 02:18:48 AM by Martin »

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2010, 07:12:33 AM »
We get a white Christmas! :D

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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2010, 07:32:39 AM »
Why did you just open a thread focusing on only the NE? The entire east coast from GA to MA has a chance of seeing white come Christmas and afterwards. Especially if the EURO has it's way.

Also that accuweather storm map is BS. Most models have shifted well SOUTH of the track shown there. They're just being bias to the MidAtl. HPC contradicts that track.



« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 07:43:54 AM by SnowManiac »


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Re: Northeastern Blizzard? 12/25-12/27/10
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2010, 08:40:11 AM »
We get a white Christmas! :D
That may be hard. This event is taking place mostly late Saturday night.

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Re: Christmas Blizzard? 12/24-12/27/10
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2010, 08:46:44 AM »
Better title :P :D

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Re: Christmas Blizzard? 12/24-12/27/10
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2010, 09:19:52 AM »
I hope Team EURO is right about this, it helps that the NAM is joining an alliance with the EURO, the GFS and Canadian however are still kinda out to lunch, the former more than the latter. But I think they'll get it together by the 0z runs tonight since the s/w (shortwave) will be on land in Southern California by then and we'll have more reliable data to feed from.  :yes: I don't know about you guys, but Atlanta hasn't had a White Christmas since 1881! This is the closest I have in all my 18 years of living here to getting one. It would make Christmas feel that much more special to me.  :happy:

EDIT: Mike Bettes is going to be talking about our last White Christmas in a few, he gave the perfect hint too, "Noone on the planet right now was alive".  :lol:
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Re: Christmas Blizzard? 12/24-12/27/10
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 10:48:10 AM »
From the Washington Post



http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2010/12/white_christmas_odds_good_not.html

Scenario 1

The southern storm is strong enough and passes close enough to bring enough moisture into the metro region to produce a light, accumulating snow event Christmas day into Christmas night. However, it does not combine with a disturbance to the northwest in time to produce big snows. The models supporting this scenario include the Canadian model and many of the GFS ensemble members, including the operational GFS. In this scenario, there would be a slight possibility the northern disturbance would combine with the southern disturbance in time to produce heavy snow over New England.

Scenario 2


The southern storm is too weak and passes too far south to produce much more than light snow or flurries (if that) and/or dry flow from the north eats away at the moisture arriving from the southwest. It does not combine with the disturbance to the north for a big storm anywhere along the East Coast. Just a few of the GFS ensemble members and last night's UK Met model suggest this possibility.

Scenario 3


The latest European run shows a huge storm for the entire East Coast, but on December 26 into December 27 as opposed to Christmas day. Essentially, it slows the progress of the southern storm allowing it to completely phase (or combine) with the northern storm. The result is a major snow/wind storm (blizzard) in this simulation. However, this model has a bias of being too slow with disturbances along the southern branch of the jet stream - so we'd like to see other models trend toward this solution before buying it. If this model were to move the southern storm faster, it would simulate a lot less snow (maybe not even any - as it might go out to sea rather than merge with northern storm).

Which Track seems suitable?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 10:53:51 AM by gt1racer »

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Re: Christmas Blizzard? 12/24-12/27/10
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 11:00:54 AM »
From the Washington Post



Here is exactly why forecasting will never become an exact science.  The European and the GFS are supposed to be the two best models, but they have entirely different physics packages built into them.  One tiny little mistake at the start can cause that much difference several days out.  The NAM isn't as useful to forecasters, but it's still used as a tiebreaker if the European and the GFS are way off from each other.  You have no choice but to use percentages for a forecast like this scenario.  I'll have to figure out what's going to happen over the next few days as I see more model runs.

Update to account for new model runs recently:  I now see the GFS showing a Northeast storm, but it's on the 26th.  The European model is slower and has it on the 27th.  We're going to have something just past Christmas, but impacts will vary widely depending on how closely this storm hugs the East Coast.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2010, 11:19:51 PM by phw115wvwx »