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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 04:10:00 PM »
Craig, I'm fine with naming big winter storms after they occur. ;)  I'm not a fan of seeing someone wasting precious time trying to decide if a highly uncertain and complex winter storm should be named before it happens.  The public only wants to know what's going to happen, how much will fall, when will it start and end, and what should they do.  Besides, what would we define as the naming criteria for a developing winter storm?  Pressure and winds alone won't work.  You have to consider so many other factors.

Furthermore, you're taking a huge risk of downplaying unnamed winter storms before they create disasters.  A small area of low pressure could trigger 1/2" of ice from freezing drizzle over Atlanta, or a small Alberta clipper could set up lake-effect bands that dump 1'-2' of snow and cause blizzard conditions in Chicago.  These hypothetical systems would never be named before they happened as they're so subtle, but they would create a nightmare for those cities that names may be needed after the fact.

I see your point. I think I have came to conclusion but I'd like to see their criteria for naming specific storms. It should be interesting what the criteria is and I wonder if it varies from region to region.

It should be if they plan on measuring it by overall impact - certain parts of the country are not as prepared for a big winter storm apart from another, especially since they don't expect it.
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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2012, 04:50:26 PM »
Since this topic is becoming its own entity, I've merged everything together into one thread for you all. ;)  Also, the NWS recently stated "no opinion" on this matter as they have no control on private weather industries, but they are not going to get involved in the naming process.

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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2012, 05:20:35 PM »
Since this topic is becoming its own entity, I've merged everything together into one thread for you all. ;)  Also, the NWS recently stated "no opinion" on this matter as they have no control on private weather industries, but they are not going to get involved in the naming process.
Thanks Patrick! I missed the conversation going on and just made a thread since I thought it was pretty interesting :)

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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2012, 11:08:32 PM »
Ha!  We were talking about this in my meteorology class today.  I also saw the article and video on weather.com this morning.  Apparently this has "blown up" into a big discussion and debate.

The biggest problem we talked about is consistency.  For what may be the first time (I'm not sure), a private sector is doing something the NWS isn't.  So the question is: will NWS follow TWC in naming the storms?  If so, what a change this will be.  If not, then even more confusion will arise because if TWC is talking about, say, Caesar, and NWS is talking about "this major snowstorm," how will people know if they're the same storm, a different storm, etc?

Criteria based on the naming is also a big question in my mind, as well.  I guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out this winter...

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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2012, 11:23:03 AM »
Okay... TWC have really gone cuckoo now IMO :rolleyes:  :P
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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 12:16:41 PM »
I just wonder how they can mention Winter Storm Gandolf with a straight face. :P
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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 04:01:15 PM »
Oh my god...

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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2012, 05:06:53 PM »
The more I think about it they probably should test this only on blizzards/icestorms first if there any this winter and see how that goes before broadening it out to overall winter storms.

Again, the idea of naming Winter Storms overall is not that bad. There are NWS offices (NWS Buffalo) and local news stations (I've heard Minneapolis and parts of CT do this) that have been doing this for years, the thing is they're local, the key word here. What they're planning to do is certainly going to be much more challenging since they're focusing on the entire regions of the nation.


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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2012, 05:11:20 PM »
The more I think about it they probably should test this only on blizzards/icestorms first if there any this winter and see how that goes before broadening it out to overall winter storms.

Again, the idea of naming Winter Storms overall is not that bad. There are NWS offices (NWS Buffalo) and local news stations (I've heard Minneapolis and parts of CT do this) that have been doing this for years, the thing is they're local, the key word here. What they're planning to do is certainly going to be much more challenging since they're focusing on the entire regions of the nation.

Yep...the locals here have been naming winter storms since 1997.
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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2012, 03:04:03 AM »
Antics like this don't help TWC,
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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2012, 03:07:55 AM »
I am one who is in the "let the NWS handle it" boat.

When I read "social media world", that's a red flag to me....

Did anybody who came up with this list know about "retiring" names?  :rolleyes:

They're running into planet/moon names!

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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2012, 09:39:22 AM »
Heh, they're ones to talk. Who was it again that implemented a 25 Day Forecast:whistling: Accuweather is just mad because The Weather Channel beat them to the punch. :rolleyes:

Bunch of hypocrites.  <_<
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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2012, 04:34:51 PM »
Antics like this don't help TWC,
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Re: Why The Weather Channel is Naming Winter Storms
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2012, 10:25:39 PM »
What would qualify as a winter storm noteworthy enough to be named? I have a feeling that these names will be used mostly for winter storms in TWC's pet region, the East Coast, and winter storms in the Interior West, the Plains, and northern New England will be largely ignored. Case in point: the one-footer hitting Minnesota right now. Sometimes the noteworthiness of a storm isn't known until after it's passed, sometimes even after the whole winter has passed. The January 12, 2012 stormwas the notable event of the 2012 winter season, but in a season like 2010-11 it would've just been part of the background, a nuisance snow. We don't know at the time how the rest of the season will shape up.

I also don't even care for the naming of hurricanes. I've always found that the usual procedure with winter storms was better, with a descriptive name being attached to it, most of the time given after the fact. It's sort of like naming a baby - it often pays to observe its characteristics before deciding on an appropriate name. The "Labor Day Hurricane of 1935" or the "Great Gale of 1815" to me is more evocative than "Hurricane Isaac". Likewise, "The Pre-Christmas Blizzard of 2010", the "Great Snow of 2013", the "Groundhog Day Blizzard", the "Superstorm of 1993", and the "Carolina Crusher" evokes more than "Winter Storm Athena" and "Winter Storm Nemo". Also, it's quite unnecessary, since winter storms are already adequately cataloged, with the exception of the usual East-Coaster shenanigans.

I prefer a system where winter storms or hurricanes are just numbered, with noteworthy ones receiving descriptive or evocative monikers. In fact I'd like for the descriptive names to be used more often than they are now, but I don't care for using a list of preselected names.