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Present - The Weather Channel 2000 => Programming and Graphics => Topic started by: bergone on August 22, 2010, 08:04:30 PM
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I say, hands down, when NBC bought it in 2008. Definately. I wish A&B would be on at night again, I think Stephanie does well at times, seems cool to hangout with in person probably, but she is a little too loud for mornings. IMO. They need to stop having so much graphics/scrolls and stuff like that. It's ok to have nice graphics, and a few scrolls, but damn, they just overload. Big time. Also cancel Wake Up with Al, as I like to call him "Al Rooker" because he is barely a meterologist (get the joke/pun/whatever, Rooker?) and they need to stop showing news that is not related to weather. 2 weeks ago I heard about a turtle almost getting killed crossing the street. Yeah that's weather. Cool. It's only a matter of time before one of the headlines is about Jim Cantore's Facebook page getting tons and tons of spam comments in almost record time. And they will try and analyze it and such. Holy smokes, sometimes I think that behind the scenes some of the OCM's/meterologists are playing games and such, like beer pong. Ah, I can see it now...
"Well I can tell you that we don't know for sure how much rain will fall in the south later on today, but I do know is that Jim Cantore will NOT get this pong ball in the cup. WHOA! Jimmy you just proved me wrong!"
Jim Cantore- "I should grab a beer, that was fantastic."
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Landmartk didnt have a choice to TWC themselves or not. The founder of TWC was ill only to find out he passed under a year later and they didnt have the money
The OCMs are placed in slots where NBC sees the most popularity and priority. It seemed moving A&B to mornings after Marshall Seese retiring made YWT popular again (opinion)
For the news stuff, graphics, rock music, etc, thats NBCs way of bringing in money and Im sure TWC likes that just for $$$
Overall they really havent jumped the shark. The info-displayed L3rd was introduced prior to NBCs purchase and they have told news-related stories in the past. When i see the stories, I still see some weather applied into them although a bear attack and arrest seems a little too much
As for OCM layoffs, they happen. The OCMs that get layed off are likely ones coming close to renewal (except for Bill Keneely since he haad higher seniority and has been there forever) and they dont have the money to handle paying them. :no: Yes they could keep their jobs but they would have to have lower pay which they dont want :hmm:
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Landmartk didnt have a choice to TWC themselves or not. The founder of TWC was ill only to find out he passed under a year later and they didnt have the money
The OCMs are placed in slots where NBC sees the most popularity and priority. It seemed moving A&B to mornings after Marshall Seese retiring made YWT popular again (opinion)
For the news stuff, graphics, rock music, etc, thats NBCs way of bringing in money and Im sure TWC likes that just for $$$
Overall they really havent jumped the shark. The info-displayed L3rd was introduced prior to NBCs purchase and they have told news-related stories in the past. When i see the stories, I still see some weather applied into them although a bear attack and arrest seems a little too much
As for OCM layoffs, they happen. The OCMs that get layed off are likely ones coming close to renewal (except for Bill Keneely since he haad higher seniority and has been there forever) and they dont have the money to handle paying them. :no: Yes they could keep their jobs but they would have to have lower pay which they dont want :hmm:
Wasn't part of the reason why Landmark gave up TWC to NBC was due to the Hillary Andrews/Bob Stokes lawsuit?
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No the only reason NBC won was because there were the only ones left to bid after time warner cable dropped out. Plus that incident occurred long before the sale of the weather channel was heating up.
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Also, hasn't Comcast bought NBC? I know this is a little offtopic, but I recall back in Decemebr this was making headlines.
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Landmartk didnt have a choice to TWC themselves or not. The founder of TWC was ill only to find out he passed under a year later and they didnt have the money
The OCMs are placed in slots where NBC sees the most popularity and priority. It seemed moving A&B to mornings after Marshall Seese retiring made YWT popular again (opinion)
For the news stuff, graphics, rock music, etc, thats NBCs way of bringing in money and Im sure TWC likes that just for $$$
Overall they really havent jumped the shark. The info-displayed L3rd was introduced prior to NBCs purchase and they have told news-related stories in the past. When i see the stories, I still see some weather applied into them although a bear attack and arrest seems a little too much
As for OCM layoffs, they happen. The OCMs that get layed off are likely ones coming close to renewal (except for Bill Keneely since he haad higher seniority and has been there forever) and they dont have the money to handle paying them. :no: Yes they could keep their jobs but they would have to have lower pay which they dont want :hmm:
Wasn't part of the reason why Landmark gave up TWC to NBC was due to the Hillary Andrews/Bob Stokes lawsuit?
No :no:
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Also, hasn't Comcast bought NBC? I know this is a little offtopic, but I recall back in Decemebr this was making headlines.
Last time I heard, they were still negotiating.
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TWC jumped the shark with the rock and soundtrack music, and FAAF. Plus all the doggone longform on weekends!!! :hammer: WUWA isn't the worst thing that TWC has done. To me, it's tolerable.
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TWC jumped the shark with the rock and soundtrack music, and FAAF.
...which I luckily found out from Mike that it has been permanently cancelled. :) At least that's a step in the right direction.
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Good news about the flick thing. That was gay. Still want more changes though. But we all know that is extremely unlikely.
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First, let me say that I've always hated the expression "jumped the shark." It sounds much better to say "when did (insert TV show or network name here) start to suck?" Anyway, for me, it was 2000 with the introduction of Atmospheres. I believe that was the first moment I was watching TWC and thought to myself "you gotta be kidding me." However, it was still pretty good for a few more years. Then they started adding more shows whose weather subject was VERY thin. Thow in some global warming propaganda, some pretty dull music on the LF, don't cover severe weather, and I've all but lost interest.
BTW, IIRC Landmark sold TWC purely b/c it wanted to. It had nothing to do with someone being sick or a lawsuit. So yes, they had a choice. Dave Schwartz said in an interview that he thought it was odd that the sale happened right before the financial collapse. I do too. I think they sold TWC b/c they knew what was coming. Smart move.
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:facepalm:
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First, let me say that I've always hated the expression "jumped the shark." It sounds much better to say "when did (insert TV show or network name here) start to suck?" Anyway, for me, it was 2000 with the introduction of Atmospheres. I believe that was the first moment I was watching TWC and thought to myself "you gotta be kidding me." However, it was still pretty good for a few more years. Then they started adding more shows whose weather subject was VERY thin. Thow in some global warming propaganda, some pretty dull music on the LF, don't cover severe weather, and I've all but lost interest.
BTW, IIRC Landmark sold TWC purely b/c it wanted to. It had nothing to do with someone being sick or a lawsuit. So yes, they had a choice. Dave Schwartz said in an interview that he thought it was odd that the sale happened right before the financial collapse. I do too. I think they sold TWC b/c they knew what was coming. Smart move.
Atmospheres started all of the nonstop longform we have during weekday afternoons and especially on weekends. Unless you watch during the morning time before 2pm, you can't get any type of forecast (save for two measley hours at 6 and 11pm, respectively) on Saturday and Sunday!!!
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not to mention, those are the same exact times your local news appears, 6pm and 11pm ET, so they picked some great timing there! (NOT!)..
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(off-topic) Too bad JTS isn't around anymore.
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(off-topic) Too bad JTS isn't around anymore.
Who? :huh:
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(off-topic) Too bad JTS isn't around anymore.
Who? :huh:
Jump the shark
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I named the thread "jumped the shark" because that seems to be the most popular saying when something goes wrong. Although start to suck would be a little more accurate, yes.
Also, and I don't know for sure since I started watching twc in 2004, but didn't they show weather documentaries or primetime weather shows like Storm Stories back in the 90s before Atmospheres? I could have sworn I saw something on TWC's wiki page about it.
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(off-topic) Too bad JTS isn't around anymore.
Who? :huh:
Jump the shark
That term is still around ;) i use it a lot
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(off-topic) Too bad JTS isn't around anymore.
Who? :huh:
Jump the shark
That term is still around ;) i use it a lot
But the website isn't. :no: Don't use the term anymore.
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And people call any box of tissues Kleenex. Its a generic term ;)
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So should I rename the thread?
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Umm, I hate to break this up, but we need to get back on topic.
I understand that TWC is doing "the worst things ever". But I've been told numerous time that IT JUST HAPPENS. TWC did what they had to do. I had a strong feeling that TWC was going to be put up on sale back then... and it did. They were sold by NBCU. Of course, I hate the changes, I hate the stupid longform, I hate Al <_<, I hate to see Steph and Mike on mornings... but you know what? get over it. Don't expect TWC to change back the way they were back in 2008 or so. "cuz that ain't happenin." The only things I'm interested about TWC is: 1. the weather in general, 2. Hurricane/severe weather coverage, 3. Chris Warren, and 4. Eric Fisher. :P
I hate to rant about this subject (I really do, especially that I'm in school now), but you just gotta have to get it out of the system.
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My personal opinion, TWC has undergone it's own face-lift and it's not NBC's fault.
Also if TWC really regretted the direction they've been taking then they would've turned off the network for good eons ago.
Demographics are in TWC's favor especially from the twcmediakit website so we are just going to have to live with change or just turn off the network all together.
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So should I rename the thread?
You can if you feel like it but honestly its a good way to put it as you did :yes:
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I asked because some people didn't like the term JTS. I will definately leave the title the way it is.
It wasn't really a rant I made, more like a debate I'm trying to start. Yes, I do miss the weather channel the way it used to be and think it needs some big changes. But I'm not crying over it. I barely get the chance to watch it most of the time. I usually watch it whenever Cantore is on or if I am bored. I never get to see A&B ever anymore which kinda sucks (I liked them when they first started).
One thing that is good about all of it was that I got the chance to make fun of the situation and show some humor in my post. Can you imagine beer pong?
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IMO, TWC has gone downhill since the earlier turn of the century but it was still very watchable. I wouldn't say TWC has jumped the shark until 2009 when NBC brought. While we all would love the old weather channel back, it will NEVER come back, so we have to deal with it. As the old saying goes, if you don't like it then don't watch. I really don't watch TWC anymore now, maybe to pop in an LF here and there to hear the playlist during the first week it starts. Other than that, TWC is dead to me. We are just a minority of the audience base of TWC. The average viewer doesn't give a hoot as to what's on TWC, who got laid off, what weird song is on the LF, NBC ownership of the station, etc.
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The way things are going, I bet there will be some sort of "weather-based" sports series in the future.
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Alright new viewer poll added to the thread if anyone is interested in voting.
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March 2, 2009. The day The Weather Channel became the Weather/News Channel.
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March 2, 2009. The day The Weather Channel became the Weather/News Channel.
Agreed, and I was still a 6th grader at that time.
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I think it became news before March 2, 2009.
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I think it became news before March 2, 2009.
Well, when Abrams and Bettes premiered in 2006, that show was intended for weather news and not just forecasts. But the other shows still showed mostly hard weather forecasts (with only occasional weather-related news) until early 2009.
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Seems like these whine-fest threads become a monthly thing now. Well here is my opinion. NBC is not responsible for all of the shifts in direction TWC has experienced, they merely sped it up. TWC has done nothing different than any other cable network has done.
You ask when did this happen? It happened the day people kept watching TWC when they starting airing long form and non weather programming. If they weren't getting decent viewers and ratings then TWC wouldn't be showing it now would they? TWC is a for profit company. Some of you seem to forget that. Its a business and a business is designed to make money. End of story.
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Seems like these whine-fest threads become a monthly thing now. Well here is my opinion. NBC is not responsible for all of the shifts in direction TWC has experienced, they merely sped it up. TWC has done nothing different than any other cable network has done.
You ask when did this happen? It happened the day people kept watching TWC when they starting airing long form and non weather programming. If they weren't getting decent viewers and ratings then TWC wouldn't be showing it now would they? TWC is a for profit company. Some of you seem to forget that. Its a business and a business is designed to make money. End of story.
Is this a broken record, or what. For the umpteenth time, Martin is correct :yes:
I look at it this way. I am an avid viewer on MTV. I enjoy *some of the shows put on by that channel. None of the shows I watch have nothing to do with music. I enjoy the shows. I never really watched the channel when they played music videos all of the time (big fan of TRL, however). I've come to like watching MTV by flipping channels and seeing what is on.
This is what is happening with The Weather Channel, in my opinion. Yeah, I am sure avid viewers from when weather was 24/7 still watch, but I think TWC's goal is to grab new viewers (which is probably all the network's goals). If someone is flipping through the channels and see something on TWC that catches their eyes, they are going to stop and see what it is. They may like what they see and keep coming back.
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Seems like these whine-fest threads become a monthly thing now. Well here is my opinion. NBC is not responsible for all of the shifts in direction TWC has experienced, they merely sped it up. TWC has done nothing different than any other cable network has done.
You ask when did this happen? It happened the day people kept watching TWC when they starting airing long form and non weather programming. If they weren't getting decent viewers and ratings then TWC wouldn't be showing it now would they? TWC is a for profit company. Some of you seem to forget that. Its a business and a business is designed to make money. End of story.
I realize that it is making money, and all that. Like I said before, it isn't a big deal. I just wanted to ask when TWC JTS. Not to rant.
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Feel free to run after me but i havent notice TWC jts a lot :wacko:
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JTS means jump the shark, if that was what you meant.
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JTS means jump the shark, if that was what you meant.
I am aware :rolleyes: It isnt my fault that my DSi doesnt have a keyboard and when im in a hurry ;)
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I think we should rename this forum the "classic TWC debate" forum. :P