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Present - The Weather Channel 2000 => Local Forecast => Topic started by: iPod on June 30, 2008, 06:00:45 PM
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This is such breaking news, it needs its own thread! :thrilled:
By the loos of that icon, it good stuff. Chris Hoitsma from the Solutions Center @ TWC said the that HDLF is coming anytime the second half of '08! I asked Chris to let me know when she has a specific date :cool3:
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Wait. the HD LF is coming to SD viewers? :huh:
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Wait. the HD LF is coming to SD viewers? :huh:
Where did you gather that from this post?
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Wait. the HD LF is coming to SD viewers? :huh:
I don't think the SDLF will be touched, just the HD feed. I won't post the email address I got with the email, if you want more info, click here: http://www.weather.com/interact/contactus/affiliatesnewspapers.html?from=contactus# (http://www.weather.com/interact/contactus/affiliatesnewspapers.html?from=contactus#)
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Oh u mean like an actual "local" forecast? HD Star etc..
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Yes
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What does "second half of 2008" mean? July and on? :unsure:
Anway, I'm excited! :thrilled:
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I guess. I hpoing to get an exact date soon!
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i hope satellite viewers get it too!
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I can say with certainty, there is no exact date as of now.
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As much as I hate to be less informed than an admin from another forum (ans as little sense as it makes :P ), I'm sure glad we have you around here. :D :P
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As much as I hate to be less informed than an admin from another forum (ans as little sense as it makes :P ), I'm sure glad we have you around here. :D :P
I'm gonna use that statement against you one day. :P
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Anything you say can and will be used against you in the Court of Tomasino :P
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All suspects are guilty until proven innocent. :P :lol:
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Yes! We're only months away from seeing the HD LF in true HD, and [at least] I'm only months away from not having to switch to the SD channel to get an actual local forecast! :D :dance:
Nobody is above the law except for Ronald McDonald, Barney, and maybe, just maybe, Brad Pitt.
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and maybe, just maybe, Brad Pitt.
I beg to differ. :P
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Anything you say can and will be used against you in the Court of Tomasino :P
All suspects are guilty until proven innocent. :P :lol:
Yeah, pretty much. :P
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i hope satellite viewers get it too!
I doubt satellite viewers will get a true LF soon. Plus, they already have their HD STAR
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i hope satellite viewers get it too!
I doubt satellite viewers will get a true LF soon. Plus, they already have their HD STAR
Like the SD Satellite LF, the HD Satellite LF is not an actual STAR. It's just part of the national feed that TWC sends out. If your cable company had no STAR installed, you'd see the national feed Satellite LF (either SD or HD).
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I stand corrected.
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Yea..I'm not sure what everyone's speculating about a "true satellite local forecast." We have it now, there's nothing else to change :huh:
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Has there been any news on the actual implementation of the HD LF since the announcement of it being introduced in the second half of '08? (which was obviously a while ago)
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The only news i keep hearing is
The local forecast (WeatherSTAR / Intellistar)in HD will be rolled out by the end of this year or Fall 2009.
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The only news i keep hearing is
The local forecast (WeatherSTAR / Intellistar)in HD will be rolled out by the end of this year or Fall 2009.
i don't believe it's name will be the intellistar...however the only latest news is that it's still beta testing out of...what new york? i can't remember the location. lol.
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Yes, in NY. There is no set launch date, but hopefully it will be out of the beta stages by year's end.
Personally, I wouldn't place money on that, though. :itsok:
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Here Al this is what u mean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5is6ZTVm6K0&fmt=18#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5is6ZTVm6K0&fmt=18#ws)
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Is that thing running as an actual unit at the headend or as an alternate feed out of TWC?
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I know how slow things can go with getting approval and hardware tweaked with everything...but it would be awesome to finally have a working HD LF so I don't have to continue switching back and forth between HD & SD just to know what the current conditions are.
If anyone knows, what does the LDL look like on the HD side of things, aside from the time/temp under the TWC|HD logo?
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Is that thing running as an actual unit at the headend or as an alternate feed out of TWC?
I'd have to say the alternate feed of TWC because if you hear in the videos of it, the sound is in stereo, and I believe I saw one time Kyle explained to us that the STAR is what caused TWC to go mono. :thinking:
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I still have to see the HD LF before I buy that it actually exists. :thinking:
The whole concept is so confusing, and I always thought TWC was done making new star systems. :fear:
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I still have to see the HD LF before I buy that it actually exists. :thinking:
The whole concept is so confusing, and I always thought TWC was done making new star systems. :fear:
This enough for ya? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRkFh7xqQE&fmt=18# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRkFh7xqQE&fmt=18#)
This video belongs to youtube user Eltiempo10, not me.
EDIT: At this point it obviously is still in the testing stages, and I believe he has videos of it from sometime in November or December also
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I still have to see the HD LF before I buy that it actually exists. :thinking:
The whole concept is so confusing, and I always thought TWC was done making new star systems. :fear:
This enough for ya? ;)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRkFh7xqQE&fmt=18#[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iRkFh7xqQE&fmt=18#[/url])
This video belongs to youtube user Eltiempo10, not me.
Well, not really. Again, I have to see it for myself, not just on recordings that are posted on-line. The whole concept makes almost no sense to me.
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I don't get it; why's it hard to understand that they need to create an HD Star?
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I think from the look of the video, TWC is trying to make it all fancy with eye candy but does anyone else think that the flashy graphics are taking the focus away from the actual information on the screen (or the lack-thereof with not having the detailed local current conditions right at the beginning of the LF)? To add to that, has the look of the HDLF changed at all since its introduction? Is there an actual LDL now aside from the time/temp?
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I think from the look of the video, TWC is trying to make it all fancy with eye candy but does anyone else think that the flashy graphics are taking the focus away from the actual information on the screen (or the lack-thereof with not having the detailed local current conditions right at the beginning of the LF)? To add to that, has the look of the HDLF changed at all since its introduction? Is there an actual LDL now aside from the time/temp?
Yes, TWC is trying to get fancy with it. Granted, I actually like the transitions, as I think it really is the future, but overall, I don't like the HD star. The Intellistar before October 23rd, 2007 was just fine. The transitions between pages were perfect, and added to the Local Forecast without distracting too much as they do on the HD star. TWC has made some negative changes, and they will never stop changing things until they wise-up and realize they do have fans.
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I think from the look of the video, TWC is trying to make it all fancy with eye candy but does anyone else think that the flashy graphics are taking the focus away from the actual information on the screen (or the lack-thereof with not having the detailed local current conditions right at the beginning of the LF)? To add to that, has the look of the HDLF changed at all since its introduction? Is there an actual LDL now aside from the time/temp?
Yes, TWC is trying to get fancy with it. Granted, I actually like the transitions, as I think it really is the future, but overall, I don't like the HD star. The Intellistar before October 23rd, 2007 was just fine. The transitions between pages were perfect, and added to the Local Forecast without distracting too much as they do on the HD star. TWC has made some negative changes, and they will never stop changing things until they wise-up and realize they do have fans.
I do not believe the look of the HDLF has changed much yet, last time Eltiempo10 saw it was December I believe. I agree. It looks cool, but it really detracts fro mthe info. AFAIK they are planning to have a current conditions screen and an LDL, most likely with narrations. GIVE ME THE 2003-2005 GRAPHICS PACKAGE!!!! THOSE WORKED FINE AND DONT LOOK OLD AT ALL!!!!!
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Sweet! I am looking forward to whenever it finally gets installed so I can watch TWC HD in all its glory :D If they add the screens that are currently shown (i.e. detailed currents, day-part forecast, almanac, etc.), I think the HD Star will be a marvelous piece of technology!!
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Sweet! I am looking forward to whenever it finally gets installed so I can watch TWC HD in all its glory :D If they add the screens that are currently shown (i.e. detailed currents, day-part forecast, almanac, etc.), I think the HD Star will be a marvelous piece of technology!!
it cant be any worse than what the IntelliCrap(formerly the fine with me Intellistar, before Oct. 07) is now <_<....or can it? :thinking: :angry:
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Don't give them any ideas!!! lol
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I do not believe the look of the HDLF has changed much yet, last time Eltiempo10 saw it was December I believe. I agree. It looks cool, but it really detracts fro mthe info. AFAIK they are planning to have a current conditions screen and an LDL, most likely with narrations. GIVE ME THE 2003-2005 GRAPHICS PACKAGE!!!! THOSE WORKED FINE AND DONT LOOK OLD AT ALL!!!!!
it cant be any worse than what the IntelliCrap(formerly the fine with me Intellistar, before Oct. 07) is now <_<....or can it? :thinking: :angry:
I agree 100%! :biggrin: Also, My thoughts about the HD star have changed. I formerly thought that the HD star would be WORSE than the current Intellistar, but things have changed. I still have to see the HD star myself, and I hope to get Verizon FiOS with TWC [HD] sometime in the next 10 to 14 months. :)
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I see some new cities in the NYC HD star. The flavour lineup looks diff too
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I see some new cities in the NYC HD star. The flavour lineup looks diff too
Its still up? Does it have the same design? I would expect and hope the HD star to look quite different when they finally finish it
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I see some new cities in the NYC HD star. The flavour lineup looks diff too
Its still up? Does it have the same design? I would expect and hope the HD star to look quite different when they finally finish it
It's still pretty much the same as last year.
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I would have imagined there have been quite a few changes if they've been beta testing this for ten months now.
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Not surprised. Can you get some clips?
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Not surprised. Can you get some clips?
I tried, my TV Tuner doesn't work for the downstairs box
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Not surprised. Can you get some clips?
I tried, my TV Tuner doesn't work for the downstairs box
Aww darn :P
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I know, I'm really PISSED. :angry: I restarted WinTV, cable box, and laptop nearly a dozen times and all I get is a blank screen on Ch3/4. It wasn't like that before. It probably doesnt work b/c it's a HDTV the box was hooked up to. I connected the cable back to the TV though and video appeared there but not on the tuner. :wacko:
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Sounds like a very strange situation!
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The actual HD STAR will be pretty different. This "beta" HD STAR was more to test out the equipment, with less of a focus on the graphics themselves.
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any ideas on a possible release date?
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Yeah, it's been quite awhile that the 'beta' STAR is still in use.
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I'm really excited that some (albeit little) progress has been made on getting the HDLF working properly. Watching TWC HD just isn't the same without the local information...gets kinda boring, personally. Has anyone been able to capture any new video of the beta versions?
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Any news yet??
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No. but TWC HD on DirecTV now has the Directv SD LF application
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HD STAR, which was recently due out this November, has been pushed back (yet again). No new time line at this point
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HD STAR, which was recently due out this November, has been pushed back (yet again). No new time line at this point
This certainly doesn't seem to be on TWC's priority list right now. :no: I'm hoping they will not cancel the HD Star debut altogether. :(
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that's depressing....
thanks for your replies
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Fantastic...guess I'll have to watch TWC SD for local information instead...screw that, I'll just flip on my emulator and see something actually interesting!
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HD STAR, which was recently due out this November, has been pushed back (yet again). No new time line at this point
This certainly doesn't seem to be on TWC's priority list right now. :no: I'm hoping they will not cancel the HD Star debut altogether. :(
I don't think they'd cancel it, the STAR is TWC's bread and butter.
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HD STAR, which was recently due out this November, has been pushed back (yet again). No new time line at this point
This certainly is taking longer than I expected. It's been in beta since September of last year, and I figured it would be ready to be rolled out nationwide within a few months like the case with the other STARs :wacko: Then again, the HD STAR's has a lot more animated graphics than the others.
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It's not being canceled, just extensively delayed. They've run into hardware troubles...
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It's not being canceled, just extensively delayed. They've run into hardware troubles...
No surprises whatsoever. The HD STAR is a complete waste of time and money, imo.
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They could have just upgraded the STAR v 1 or 2 to the HD feed, change the fonts and screen size and that would have worked until they get a new graphics package (probably another year or two).
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No surprises whatsoever. The HD STAR is a complete waste of time and money, imo.
Yah, plus it has delayed several other more important things such as an IntelliStar graphics change, which in theory is due late this year. The HD STAR seems to be TWC's top priority at this point :hmm:
They could have just upgraded the STAR v 1 or 2 to the HD feed, change the fonts and screen size and that would have worked until they get a new graphics package (probably another year or two).
That isn't possible, since the current STARs don't have HD capabilities.
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TWC's HD transition in general was a complete waste, They haven't been organized or doing anything right since last year, this HD Star that should have been finished and up and running a long time ago is a good example.
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It's not being canceled, just extensively delayed. They've run into hardware troubles...
Encoding issues? (I forget - is TWC 720p or 1080i?)
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Guys, what we thought was the HD STAR Beta could not be true. If you notice, the feed was coming out in stereo and IIRC, a STAR Unit is what causes TWC SD to broadcast in mono (for those with a STAR :P). So overall, I think it's a feed coming directly from Atlanta. :yes:
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It's not being canceled, just extensively delayed. They've run into hardware troubles...
No surprises whatsoever. The HD STAR is a complete waste of time and money, imo.
:wall: How is it a waste of time? The LF is the staple of TWC. Without it, kiss the majority of viewers goodbye.
They could have just upgraded the STAR v 1 or 2 to the HD feed, change the fonts and screen size and that would have worked until they get a new graphics package (probably another year or two).
If you're saying what I think you are... it's impossible. None of the current STARs, including the Istar are HD compatible.
It's not being canceled, just extensively delayed. They've run into hardware troubles...
Encoding issues? (I forget - is TWC 720p or 1080i?)
A motherboard issue, apparently.
Guys, what we thought was the HD STAR Beta could not be true. If you notice, the feed was coming out in stereo and IIRC, a STAR Unit is what causes TWC SD to broadcast in mono (for those with a STAR :P). So overall, I think it's a feed coming directly from Atlanta. :yes:
The beta HD local in New York is an actual beta STAR. It's not a national feed.
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It's not being canceled, just extensively delayed. They've run into hardware troubles...
No surprises whatsoever. The HD STAR is a complete waste of time and money, imo.
:wall: How is it a waste of time? The LF is the staple of TWC. Without it, kiss the majority of viewers goodbye.
Allow me to explain it the best way possible. The SD feed is fine. The VAST majority of viewers don't give two shrimps to HD nor the HD LF and get what they need from the SD STARs. People tune in to see their local information (forecasts, CC guesses, etc), and don't care how it is presented. There are several thousand STARs still in use that TWC and the STAR team need to pay attention to, which is an issue far more important than an HD STAR. TWC is moving way too fast, and has far better things to spend their money and time on than a STAR most people couldn't care less about.
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TWC is moving way too fast, and has far better things to spend their money and time on than a STAR most people couldn't care less about.
care to elaborate?
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It's not being canceled, just extensively delayed. They've run into hardware troubles...
No surprises whatsoever. The HD STAR is a complete waste of time and money, imo.
:wall: How is it a waste of time? The LF is the staple of TWC. Without it, kiss the majority of viewers goodbye.
Allow me to explain it the best way possible. The SD feed is fine. The VAST majority of viewers don't give two shrimps to HD nor the HD LF and get what they need from the SD STARs. People tune in to see their local information (forecasts, CC guesses, etc), and don't care how it is presented. There are several thousand STARs still in use that TWC and the STAR team need to pay attention to, which is an issue far more important than an HD STAR. TWC is moving way too fast, and has far better things to spend their money and time on than a STAR most people couldn't care less about.
You know what, you're right. TWC doesn't do customer research or anything like that. They don't receive daily emails from viewers asking why there is no local on the HD version of TWC. So, since you just contradict everything I say anyway, maybe I just won't post useful information here anymore.
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Allow me to explain it the best way possible. The SD feed is fine. The VAST majority of viewers don't give two shrimps to HD nor the HD LF and get what they need from the SD STARs. People tune in to see their local information (forecasts, CC guesses, etc), and don't care how it is presented. There are several thousand STARs still in use that TWC and the STAR team need to pay attention to, which is an issue far more important than an HD STAR. TWC is moving way too fast, and has far better things to spend their money and time on than a STAR most people couldn't care less about.
Well put :yes: The IntelliStar is due for an update soon as I mentioned, as it's been nearly two years since the current design has been out
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The IntelliStar is due for an update soon as I mentioned, as it's been nearly two years since the current design has been out
Don't get your hopes up. It's gonna be a while.
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I think that it should be out by late December or anytime after that.
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I think that it should be out by late December or anytime after that.
What are you even talking about? Don't expect it any time soon (i.e. as in more than likely not within the year).
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I think that it should be out by late December or anytime after that.
What are you even talking about? Don't expect it any time soon (i.e. as in more than likely not within the year).
How many times is Tyler going to have to repeat that? :rolleyes:
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I agree that the LF is probably the best thing TWC has got going for them. An HD STAR for HD viewers is great. It is not going to be a waste when it does come out. TWC has to adjust to the changes in TV.
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Geez, I'm sorry.
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The Localonthe8s HD for cablevision is still the same. Only minor thing to point out is that they fixed the pixelation issue while the LF starts and transitions in to the Current Conditions map. No clip, sorry.
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Wow, I'm surprised it's still working after the motherboard problem the STAR had in October.
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But there are recurrent audio problems. The music keeps fading in and out in volume. The audio is fine on the SD feed though
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When the HD local forecast rolls out nationwide, are all the units going to be regionalized like how the NYC-based system is configured, with forecasts for several different cities and multiple maps throughout the metropolitan area?
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When the HD local forecast rolls out nationwide, are all the units going to be regionalized like how the NYC-based system is configured, with forecasts for several different cities and multiple maps throughout the metropolitan area?
You might be right mike, another possibility if a city is not a metropolitan area they would just go with regional maps with the other products after them.
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It won't be regionalized. Products will be local - just like they are now.
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When the HD local forecast rolls out nationwide, are all the units going to be regionalized like how the NYC-based system is configured, with forecasts for several different cities and multiple maps throughout the metropolitan area?
maybe the regionalized view is a test for weather scan HD.
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Ratings are wayyyy too low for a Weatherscan HD, buddy.
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Ratings are wayyyy too low for a Weatherscan HD, buddy.
Its not the ratings will be too low buts its too much of a waste of bandwidth for companies to do. Cost is another issues as well
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Not to mention the fate of Weatherscan is undetermined...
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TWC HDStar - 2/2/10 @ 5:38am EST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkU89azNn3o#)
TWC HDStar - 2/2/10 @ 5:48am EST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhG3ZymEZHQ#)
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TWC HDStar - 2/2/10 @ 5:38am EST ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkU89azNn3o#[/url])
TWC HDStar - 2/2/10 @ 5:48am EST ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhG3ZymEZHQ#[/url])
FYI they're Joseph's videos. He recently got TWC HD.
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Nice to see some new, recent videos of the still-existent HD STAR. :)
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Last hour, I tried hooking my TV's (not TV tuner) SD cable box to my TV tuner (which is an HD TV tuner), I got a scrambled video picture... but great sound.
lol, don't kill me, I knew it wouldn't work :P
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Last hour, I tried hooking my TV's (not TV tuner) SD cable box to my TV tuner (which is an HD TV tuner), I got a scrambled video picture... but great sound.
lol, don't kill me, I knew it wouldn't work :P
Thats weird.. you're using an SD box and it can tune to the HD channel? Usually on the boxes it just does audio only and doesn't try to decode the video. The scrambled video I suspect is the box trying to decode it but the processor in the box just can't keep up so it keeps dropping.
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Last hour, I tried hooking my TV's (not TV tuner) SD cable box to my TV tuner (which is an HD TV tuner), I got a scrambled video picture... but great sound.
lol, don't kill me, I knew it wouldn't work :P
Thats weird.. you're using an SD box and it can tune to the HD channel? Usually on the boxes it just does audio only and doesn't try to decode the video. The scrambled video I suspect is the box trying to decode it but the processor in the box just can't keep up so it keeps dropping.
Thank you for your insight on that, I didn't think about that. The cable box I used for that (which is for my TV... I have a separate, smaller one that can't tune to TWC HD for my desktop tuner), is a brand new one I got just a month before the cable went digital here in Lansing. That could be part of it, but I'm not sure. I am supposed to get an HD box with the HD starter bundle we apparently have, which I am hoping to pick up tomorrow.
Like I said, we do have the HD starter bundle, which obviously includes TWC HD in the package. We inadvertently got this when my mom talked down the bill and got us a promotional price. This may be partially why I am able to at least hear the channel's audio.
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Haha glad you got the package without paying full price!
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Haha glad you got the package without paying full price!
hehe thanks :P
Also another thing I should note- even with the usual 1 second delay that my tuner has (compared to my TV), TWC SD is actually 2 or 3 seconds ahead of TWC [HD]. Any idears?
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Haha glad you got the package without paying full price!
hehe thanks :P
Also another thing I should note- even with the usual 1 second delay that my tuner has (compared to my TV), TWC SD is actually 2 or 3 seconds ahead of TWC [HD]. Any idears?
How your cable co transmits the signals. On y FiOS, TWC SD and TWC HD are exactly the same.
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Ratings are wayyyy too low for a Weatherscan HD, buddy.
maybe for directv It will nice to have 24/7 Weatherscan there for all top us citys looping on one channel.
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Ratings are wayyyy too low for a Weatherscan HD, buddy.
maybe for directv It will nice to have 24/7 Weatherscan there for all top us citys looping on one channel.
We can dream
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Anyone ever seen this before? I happened to find it as I was looking through old clips.
TWC [HD] Local Forecast- 3/03/10 Video Glitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NBMDnVMxWk#)
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Wow, thanks for that clip Aaron. B)
Also, maybe once or twice, I have seen the HD LF come in late like how the Satellite LF does and vice versa when it ends.
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Wow, thanks for that clip Aaron. B)
Also, maybe once or twice, I have seen the HD LF come in late like how the Satellite LF does and vice versa when it ends.
lol, I pulled it since I uploaded it at a bad time. I'll reupload it later on this evening, but sure thing :)
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:blink:
(http://i.imagehost.org/0807/1_121.jpg)
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:blink:
([url]http://i.imagehost.org/0807/1_121.jpg[/url])
The maps on weather.com show the same issue:
(http://i.imagehost.org/0216/trvlthun_600x405.jpg)
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Sorry that this isn't in HD, and that makes it :offtopic: but, this is a vid of the Thunderstorm Forecast showing "boxes", and the Precipitation Forecast showing "circles"......
Serious Satellite Forecast Glitch - April 13, 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxJRmN-UYVQ#)
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:blink:
([url]http://i.imagehost.org/0807/1_121.jpg[/url])
The maps on weather.com show the same issue:
([url]http://i.imagehost.org/0216/trvlthun_600x405.jpg[/url])
What's wrong with it? I've seen sharp edges around warning areas before
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:blink:
([url]http://i.imagehost.org/0807/1_121.jpg[/url])
The maps on weather.com show the same issue:
([url]http://i.imagehost.org/0216/trvlthun_600x405.jpg[/url])
What's wrong with it? I've seen sharp edges around warning areas before
It's never like that. :no:
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There's a severe thunderstorm watch for most of the areas shaded in red on the thunderstorm map. I see nothing wrong with it. Same with the sharp edges on it.
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There's a severe thunderstorm watch for most of the areas shaded in red on the thunderstorm map. I see nothing wrong with it. Same with the sharp edges on it.
Mike, I hope you read the General LF Discussion thread to see that there were lots of errors with the Sat/HD LF today. :ermm:
And besides, TWC revises their forecasts every couple of hours, the issues are fixed, and I still see watches/warnings on the map. ;)