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Present - The Weather Channel 2000 => Local Forecast => Topic started by: toxictwister00 on July 03, 2009, 09:06:08 PM
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Weather Channel changing up ‘On the 8s’ tunes
http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2009/07/02/weather_channel_tunes.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y (http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2009/07/02/weather_channel_tunes.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y)
According to the article, Geoffrey Darby the new Vice President pushed for more rock music because Smooth Jazz was pulling down ratings.
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Weather Channel changing up ‘On the 8s’ tunes
[url]http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2009/07/02/weather_channel_tunes.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y[/url] ([url]http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2009/07/02/weather_channel_tunes.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y[/url])
According to the article, Geoffrey Darby the new Vice President pushed for more rock music because Smooth Jazz was pulling down ratings.
These people needs to wake up and realize it's their changes that's causing this...ie OCM firings, programming changes. 80% approval rating up my ass. I wish he would show some proof.
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How sad for Darby to let Long Time TWC fans down like this, this is another reason Rock will ultimately end TWC for good.
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Huh. I call BS. So people were so upset about the music that they got their weather info from somewhere else? That's hilarious.
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Kinda changing the subject, but I thought this qoute on NBC's managment over TWC was interesting, sounds like it was a trap to make sure TWC didn't try buying themselves out of NBC.
“They paid a healthy price for the Weather Channel, a very healthy price in hindsight … the more entrenched the Weather Channel is for GE, the more challenging it is for an exit strategy for the private equity firms,” said Alan Gould , an analyst with Natixis Bleichroeder.
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Weather Channel changing up ‘On the 8s’ tunes
[url]http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2009/07/02/weather_channel_tunes.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y[/url] ([url]http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2009/07/02/weather_channel_tunes.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y[/url])
According to the article, Geoffrey Darby the new Vice President pushed for more rock music because Smooth Jazz was pulling down ratings.
Um, if they were pulling down ratings, then why did TWC create two CD's? The sales of those CD's actually reached near the top of the charts.
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I'm very very VERY pissed about Geoffrey Darby doing this. How dare he did this. In fact, he is putting more and more rock, I predict that very soon he may put hip hop and crank music. To us TWC Fans, I take it as an insult. This is not good. So he's the mastermind behind this. Shoot!!!!!!
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Lets hope we get some answers soon on this debacle i flew an email over and i hope he reads the Truth! and gives us his bs reasons.
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Again, there is something you guys keep forgetting to realize... We are just a tiny portion of the userbase of TWC. Most people who watch TWC are just in it for the weather, and don't care about the music on the local forecast, just as long as they get their weather. Management has every right to do what they wish to the channel, it's THEIRS.
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What a fuckup. :rolleyes: Well, in business, the dumb people who make the dumb decisions usually come out on top.
Ratings + TWC. WTF? It's the weather, for christ's sake. Rock music does not work, you'd think they'd know that.
Either way, I don't think it will last long. People will get annoyed pretty fast.
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Smooth jazz had to have been popular if they released those CD's. I seriously doubt they released them just for TWC Today members, nor do I think smooth jazz suddenly got unpopular on TWC within less than a year's time. :unsure:
They also said they are trying to attract a "young audience." Well, most "young" people I know like rap/hip-hop or otherwise modern music, not classic rock or ambient space music.
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Smooth jazz had to have been popular if they released those CD's. I seriously doubt they released them just for TWC Today members, nor do I think smooth jazz suddenly got unpopular on TWC within less than a year's time. :unsure:
Yeah, I have a hard time believing Smooth Jazz can suffer that badly in just a few months. Even the sudden 80% satisfaction rate is a little puzzling. Some of the soft rock songs played from last month and this month like "Gut Feeling" by Devo and "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" by Pink Floyd have played before, if people were requesting for these changes or more of these sock rock songs shouldn't they have been done years ago well before now?
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It's not going to last long, that 80% will drop soon. Many people in my family were annoyed hearing rock on the LF..it got too distracting for them.
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The drippy smooth jazz that for years has played in the background of the Atlanta-based Weather Channel’s “Local On the 8s” segments has been replaced with soft rock songs people can actually hum instead of going numb.
Have they ever actually listened to the music? You can hum most of it. And they think people won't go "numb" listening to soft rock? :wacko: Maybe I'm missing something here, but I think most find soft rock more sleepy than jazz.
“I think we’ve been doing an injustice to our viewers playing, for the lack of a better word, elevator music on the segments for all these years,” Geoffrey Darby, the cable network’s new executive vice president of programming, said Thursday.
Translation - he hates jazz and wants to play the music he likes. I don't blame you Jeffy, but don't kid youself by saying that you're doing this for "ratings."
...which wasn’t great for the audience or the network’s advertisers who prefer viewers who are awake.
Unless they interviewed people that were drunk, I doubt any viewers actually fell asleep when the local forecast came on. :rolleyes:
eighty percent approval rating
By who? His friends?
I can’t believe I just heard Devo on the Weather Channel — that is so cool.
Devo was played in the summer of 1990 too...and they quickly dropped it.
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Good point, Matt. If this guy is lying that he's doing this for ratings when he really just wants to do this because he *likes* rock music, then he might as well step down.
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It's not going to last long, that 80% will drop soon. Many people in my family were annoyed hearing rock on the LF..it got too distracting for them.
You know that pretty little button on the remote control? You know, the one that says MUTE? press it if you're that annoyed, or get your weather elsewhere.
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It's not going to last long, that 80% will drop soon. Many people in my family were annoyed hearing rock on the LF..it got too distracting for them.
You know that pretty little button on the remote control? You know, the one that says MUTE? press it if you're that annoyed, or get your weather elsewhere.
Nothing wrong with people complying about it here though
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It's not going to last long, that 80% will drop soon. Many people in my family were annoyed hearing rock on the LF..it got too distracting for them.
You know that pretty little button on the remote control? You know, the one that says MUTE? press it if you're that annoyed, or get your weather elsewhere.
Yes, but why should I if it's not needed? You can listen to your rock on B101 or on the countless other rock stations, TWC doesn't need to be the hundredth "station" to host it.
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It's not going to last long, that 80% will drop soon. Many people in my family were annoyed hearing rock on the LF..it got too distracting for them.
You know that pretty little button on the remote control? You know, the one that says MUTE? press it if you're that annoyed, or get your weather elsewhere.
You can listen to your rock on B101 or somewhere else, TWC is not the place for it.
Again, it's management's decision. If they want to put rock on there, they can. If they want hip hop, by all means, put it on there. If they want Jazz, they can put it on there. You're failing to understand they can do whatever they want and that our say most likely won't make them change their minds. Again, if it hurts you that much, don't watch.
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You're failing to understand they can do whatever they want and that our say most likely won't make them change their minds.
I'm not around here much, but as far as I know, no one ever said they couldn't. However, we can still bitch about it all we want.
Me, I haven't watched TWC seriously in years, so NBC's decisions don't do much except push me further away from it. Hence why I've stopped coming here as often.
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You're failing to understand they can do whatever they want and that our say most likely won't make them change their minds.
I'm not around here much, but as far as I know, no one ever said they couldn't. However, we can still bitch about it all we want.
Me, I haven't watched TWC seriously in years, so NBC's decisions don't do much except push me further away from it. Hence why I've stopped coming here as often.
True. There are always consequences. They can do whatever they want but there'll be major problems when the consequences happen.
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You're failing to understand they can do whatever they want and that our say most likely won't make them change their minds.
I'm not around here much, but as far as I know, no one ever said they couldn't. However, we can still bitch about it all we want.
Me, I haven't watched TWC seriously in years, so NBC's decisions don't do much except push me further away from it. Hence why I've stopped coming here as often.
True. There are always consequences. They can do whatever they want but there'll be major problems when the consequences happen.
Well Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so i don't see why we have to stop complaining about the change.
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You can listen to your rock on B101 or on the countless other rock stations, TWC doesn't need to be the hundredth "station" to host it.
Exactly! The reason why I liked hearing jazz and newage on TWC so much was because it was a way for me to discover new music. Any jazz station we've had in town over the years hasn't lasted more than a year or two. And they only played "safe" jazz. TWC, however, was always willing to take a risk by playing music with blaring saxes, goofy sound effects and/or odd melodies. If it wasn't for TWC, I never would've given bluegrass music a chance. And I never would've known what Zydeco was.
Now they're becoming a classic rock station. Boring! And if anything, they're doing a tremendous disservice to those who love jazz, but don't have a station in town. I'd be amazed if there were many viewers that didn't have access to at least one classic rock station in town.
But I haven't watched TWC in years, so sharing my opinion with what's-his-face would be pointless. However, for those who do watch...I encourage you to email TWC your opinions. Make sure, of course, that your opinions are respectful. He probably won't change his mind if you call him a butthead. Unless this guy is like our president, your comments can make a difference.
BTW, Jesse - if you don't like our comments here, you don't have to reply. :P
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But I haven't watched TWC in years, so sharing my opinion with what's-his-face would be pointless. However, for those who do watch...I encourage you to email TWC your opinions. Make sure, of course, that your opinions are respectful. He probably won't change his mind if you call him a butthead. Unless this guy is like our president, your comments can make a difference.
Exactly. I'm sure they get tons of emails containing "The music sucks!", "Replace the IntelliStar with the XL!", and other immature crap of the like. Instead of saying how bad their decisions are, it would be more appropriate and professional to explain WHY jazz music should be kept.
BTW, Jesse - if you don't like our comments here, you don't have to reply. :P
Ooh, burn! :P
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Again, it's management's decision. If they want to put rock on there, they can. If they want hip hop, by all means, put it on there. If they want Jazz, they can put it on there. You're failing to understand they can do whatever they want and that our say most likely won't make them change their minds. Again, if it hurts you that much, don't watch.
But they have to understand, it's not about what the management thinks, it's about what the viewers think. It's the least they can do to keep their ratings up and stay on the air.
BTW, I did send an email about this to the management, and did make sure to provide a detailed explanation about my thoughts on this. I'm with Matt on this and encourage you all to do the same. And don't mention the fact that it will not work, because I've seen complaints outside of this site about the new selection too (Facebook, etc.).
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I sent Mr. Darby an email saying it wouldn't work because they tried it in 2002...and it didn't flow in well. Most of the people who like the music hardly watch TWC anyways. :rolleyes: but that's just my 2 cents.
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Again, it's management's decision. If they want to put rock on there, they can. If they want hip hop, by all means, put it on there. If they want Jazz, they can put it on there. You're failing to understand they can do whatever they want and that our say most likely won't make them change their minds. Again, if it hurts you that much, don't watch.
But they have to understand, it's not about what the management thinks, it's about what the viewers think. It's the least they can do to keep their ratings up and stay on the air.
BTW, I did send an email about this to the management, and did make sure to provide a detailed explanation about my thoughts on this. I'm with Matt on this and encourage you all to do the same. And don't mention the fact that it will not work, because I've seen complaints outside of this site about the new selection too (Facebook, etc.).
Already did mike, i just hope they see our outcry and make the best decision for US which is a "Return To Smooth Indie Jazz playlist in August."
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Since Darby is taking over, do you think Smooth Jazz will end since he's there? This sounds kinda bizarre.....or peculiar, but why did TWC hire Darby if he hates Smooth Jazz?
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Since Darby is taking over, do you think Smooth Jazz will end since he's there? This sounds kinda bizarre.....or peculiar, but why did TWC hire Darby if he hates Smooth Jazz?
Smooth Jazz will still be on the playlists... just not as much as it used to. I don't have an answer to the second question. :hmm:
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Since Darby is taking over, do you think Smooth Jazz will end since he's there? This sounds kinda bizarre.....or peculiar, but why did TWC hire Darby if he hates Smooth Jazz?
Smooth Jazz will still be on the playlists... just not as much as it used to. I don't have an answer to the second question. :hmm:
I hope you guys understand that they will not fire someone just over music preferences.
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I hope you guys understand that they will not fire someone just over music preferences.
They could if it's met with a negative response, and right now it looks to be that way.
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This is another major blow to the Smooth Jazz format with the rapidly growing format flips of Smooth Jazz radio stations. Why can't Jazz get a break?
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I hope you guys understand that they will not fire someone just over music preferences.
I hope you understand if we think you have no idea what you're talking about. :whistling: And we don't want to get him fired, we just want jazz back on the playlist full time. Guess you missed that part in our posts. :thinking:
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I hope you guys understand that they will not fire someone just over music preferences.
I hope you understand if we think you have no idea what you're talking about. :whistling: And we don't want to get him fired, we just want jazz back on the playlist full time. Guess you missed that part in our posts. :thinking:
Same, I'm getting so sick of hearing rock everywhere. TWC made us spark our interest in jazz..particularly indie jazz. XM Watercolors just plays the bland type of jazz where I really could consider it elevator music, not TWC though.
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Same, I'm getting so sick of hearing rock everywhere. TWC made us spark our interest in jazz..particularly indie jazz. XM Watercolors just plays the bland type of jazz where I really could consider it elevator music, not TWC though.
Yeah, I've listened to that station at Best Buy once and I didn't hear a whole lot of familiar songs on TWC.
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I had a feeling this was going to happen. I think I have said it before. TWC is going the way of most of Corporate America. Dont get me wrong I have been a loyal viewer for 18 years now, and have over 850 CD's with TWC showcase music. TWC is now owned by NBC, a member of what I call "the media elite" who serve as "gatekeepers " who dictate the culture and popular trends here in America. They are catering to a certain demographics' musical preferences (young people, women in particular - so to speak), in order to gain greater viewership (ratings). It is a bummer for those of us fond of TWC at its finest (1982-1999 IMO). I still watch TWC, mainly for the weather and Atmospheric Science part of it. However, they have become just another pop culture drone.
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What will happen to the music on the emergency feed now that that jazz hating dumbo is in charge of the music now?
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What will happen to the music on the emergency feed now that that jazz hating dumbo is in charge of the music now?
Nothing. I doubt they will touch the Trammell music.
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TWC is now owned by NBC, a member of what I call "the media elite" who serve as "gatekeepers " who dictate the culture and popular trends here in America.
Agreed. Though I'm more specific about NBC and refer to them as liberal. :smoke2: I don't blame NBC for turning TWC liberal (though they certainly haven't done anything to stop it). As you know, global warming climate change bad weather was an issue TWC talked about long before the purchase. But while going political wasn't their brightest move when they were owned by Landmark, I highly doubt they would've paid tribute to Michael Jackson. :thumbdown:
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XM Watercolors just plays the bland type of jazz where I really could consider it elevator music, not TWC though.
Agreed. I have XM in my car and I rarely hear a song I know on that station. Once in a great while, I'll hear a "new" one I like, but I usually can't find out the artist (they don't answer fan email). XM plays what I've referred to as "safe" music. It isn't likely to offend too many people. But it also isn't likely to gain a lot of fans, except those who use it to fall asleep. :noexpression:
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If they dare play Jonas Brothers music on TWC I will never turn on the LF until they do away with the JB music.
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If they dare play Jonas Brothers music on TWC I will never turn on the LF until they do away with the JB music.
agreed
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I dont think theyll go that far, I hope at least :no: :unsure:
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“I think we’ve been doing an injustice to our viewers playing, for the lack of a better word, elevator music on the segments for all these years,” Geoffrey Darby, the cable network’s new executive vice president of programming, said Thursday.
Translation - he hates jazz and wants to play the music he likes. I don't blame you Jeffy, but don't kid youself by saying that you're doing this for "ratings."
The thing is Jeff is that TWC is NOT the next "Jack FM".
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*Barfs* From Scott Ward...
Scotty will be glad to create some light rock music for consideration if they will in fact accept music from independent artists...we will be checking into this matter today...if he had known about the change in format, he would not have continued to send in jazz compositions...
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What will happen to the music on the emergency feed now that that jazz hating dumbo is in charge of the music now?
Nothing. I doubt they will touch the Trammell music.
yea its just a small part of the setup anyway. thats always nice to know its there.
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*Barfs* From Scott Ward...
Scotty will be glad to create some light rock music for consideration if they will in fact accept music from independent artists...we will be checking into this matter today...if he had known about the change in format, he would not have continued to send in jazz compositions...
Sounds a lot like a TWC groupie to me...
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When looking through iTunes, that reminded me of something. Doesn't this mean during Christmas time, they wont have the christmas music like Linus & Lucy, Skating, and such?
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When looking through iTunes, that reminded me of something. Doesn't this mean during Christmas time, they wont have the christmas music like Linus & Lucy, Skating, and such?
Probably not. It'll probably like your local Christmas music station (if you have one). So that would mean The Carpenters, Air Supply, Hall & Oates, and John Lennon. :thrilled: :yawn:
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You know what? F*ck this, f*ck this, they can screw up the network and lose us fans. Most people that I met in my life are not true fans of TWC, and yet they say they love the music on the Local on the 8s. I think that this "80%" is a lie and the quote at the end of the article about DEVO is fake.
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There's no 80% approval rating. He just made it up, in fact people are complaining about this selection. If NBC continues with this despite our complaints, then it's a new low for them.
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Write to TWC, NBCU, and demand them to bring "Smooth Jazz" back.
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You know what? F*ck this, f*ck this, they can screw up the network and lose us fans. Most people that I met in my life are not true fans of TWC, and yet they say they love the music on the Local on the 8s. I think that this "80%" is a lie and the quote at the end of the article about DEVO is fake.
There's no 80% approval rating. He just made it up, in fact people are complaining about this selection. If NBC continues with this despite our complaints, then it's a new low for them.
Do you have reliable sources to back up these claims? NBC most likely has research and focus group data to back up their claim. Not everything is a lie.
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But there are complaints everywhere. I know knowing NBC the way they are they might not do anything..but TWC/landmark pulled out vocal music after the 1st day of the May 07 list. The vocal music was included in the May playlist but quickly pulled away because of complaints..it was not a 25th anv. thing though
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But there are complaints everywhere. I know knowing NBC the way they are they might not do anything..but TWC/landmark pulled out vocal music after the 1st day of the May 07 list. The vocal music was included in the May playlist but quickly pulled away because of complaints..it was not a 25th anv. thing though
Exactly.
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When looking through iTunes, that reminded me of something. Doesn't this mean during Christmas time, they wont have the christmas music like Linus & Lucy, Skating, and such?
I would have thought they might keep that. However I dont mind the selection Matt mentioned.
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here's the bs comment i was talking about
Thank you so much for sending along your feedback. As you have noticed, there have been some changes to the music during Local on the 8s. However, there is no fear that we are abandoning the jazz format, which we still celebrate and incorporate into our play lists. We have added some more contemporary and modern sounds in order to expand our offerings and appeal to a larger portion of our demographic. This has been based on much feedback and testing. However, we continue to monitor the feedback, and I have passed your note along to the appropriate product team for review and recording.
Again, we appreciate hearing from our great viewers and hope you will continue to watch The Weather Channel for years to come.
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would any one like to help on a petition or be interested in helping to bring back smooth jazz?
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would any one like to help on a petition or be interested in helping to bring back smooth jazz?
I'm in! :biggrin:
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would any one like to help on a petition or be interested in helping to bring back smooth jazz?
I'm in! :biggrin:
Count me in!
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would any one like to help on a petition or be interested in helping to bring back smooth jazz?
please!!! :worship:
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Sure, I'm interested :yes:
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Hackin yeah!
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would any one like to help on a petition or be interested in helping to bring back smooth jazz?
I'm on board.
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Has anyone had experience in using petitiononline.com before?
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would any one like to help on a petition or be interested in helping to bring back smooth jazz?
I'm on board.
:yes:
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Here's the finished product (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/indie-smooth-jazz-belongs-on-twc) ;)
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Here's the finished product ([url]http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/indie-smooth-jazz-belongs-on-twc[/url]) ;)
I signed your petition Alex. :thumbsup:
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I signed it as well. :biggrin: This partition should go public. That might get more signatures, and probably get GE to change their minds about using soft rock instead of smooth jazz. TWC had been using smooth jazz since they were founded.
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Actually they used vocal music in the beginning. But I agree, I hope as many people as possible sign this petition, just use a fake address :P
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Very nice choice of the petition site! I just opened myself up to this petition and signed it. I will also do my best to spread the word and get more people to sign. :yes:
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would any one like to help on a petition or be interested in helping to bring back smooth jazz?
Yes! :yes: :happy:
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If you have yet to sign the petition, I advise to do it now. I have sent an update to fans of my Local on the 8s Facebook page to sign it and hopefully they do. :)
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Good luck with it.
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I signed the petition under a pseudonym - Thanks for putting action to words - Good luck with it!
-JR