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Present - The Weather Channel 2000 => Local Forecast => Topic started by: TWCJim on July 31, 2011, 02:23:28 PM
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I haven't seen this since Thursday. All recent airings of long-form programming show the LDL at :08, :18, etc. instead of all of the time (similar to what is seen on "From the Edge.") Does this mean the L-bar has been discontinued? :o
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I saw it yesterday at the 2 PM ET hour :yes:
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I think the L-bar is certainly better than nothing. It's most of a local forecast, but still satisfies the programming gurus by allowing the longform programming to continue. However, maybe someone thinks it's "too distracting" for the viewer who's looking for entertainment rather than weather forecasts (TWC's new direction, obviously), so that's why they might start phasing out the L-bar and using the LDL only during the 8's, and... no weather information at all at other times. :(
Not even the lower-third, which has even more information, but just the basic LDL.
And if you don't have an Intellistar... just forget anything local altogether!
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i think this is an error lets wait a few days
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I think the L-bar is certainly better than nothing. It's most of a local forecast, but still satisfies the programming gurus by allowing the longform programming to continue. However, maybe someone thinks it's "too distracting" for the viewer who's looking for entertainment rather than weather forecasts (TWC's new direction, obviously), so that's why they might start phasing out the L-bar and using the LDL only during the 8's, and... no weather information at all at other times. :(
Not even the lower-third, which has even more information, but just the basic LDL.
And if you don't have an Intellistar... just forget anything local altogether!
The direction TWC is going is to only have LOT8s, and the :30 update as the only source of weather, but to have all longform. The fact that the L-bar is appearing less is a sign of that.
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The direction TWC is going is to only have LOT8s, and the :30 update as the only source of weather, but to have all longform. The fact that the L-bar is appearing less is a sign of that.
Sadly, I think you're right. I truly do. And then... even the L-bar and :30 updates will disappear.
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The direction TWC is going is to only have LOT8s, and the :30 update as the only source of weather, but to have all longform. The fact that the L-bar is appearing less is a sign of that.
Sadly, I think you're right. I truly do. And then... even the L-bar and :30 updates will disappear.
I sure hope this doesn't happen, but it looks, IMO, like the direction TWC is going.
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I thought I saw it this evening--if you mean LDL, that is. I'm that's not right, then I don't know what an "L bar" is.
Are you saying TWC is headed to only have local forecasts and that joke of a weather update? I just can't believe that. Maybe it seems that way, but I just don't see that happening.
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I thought I saw it this evening--if you mean LDL, that is. I'm that's not right, then I don't know what an "L bar" is.
Are you saying TWC is headed to only have local forecasts and that joke of a weather update? I just can't believe that. Maybe it seems that way, but I just don't see that happening.
I saw the L-bar earlier this evening. That's when the programming is squeezed into a box in the upper-right corner of the screen, with current conditions on the upper-left and more detailed weather information is in the large box taking up most of the rest of the screen.
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Oh, thank you for clearing that up for me. I saw that, too. :P I guess this answers the question.
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Why do some of you think the lbar and forecasting is doomed on TWC? Have you actually been watching TWC lately? A year ago (give or take) when there was long form about the only forecast you got was :38 and :58. There were no Local on the 8s, L-bar or otherwise. Now every 30 minutes there is a live weather update, always a local forecast of some kind on the 8s, more break ins and updates for severe weather events. Yes its not ideal and we know everyone hates longform but TWC has done a much better job focusing back on weather.
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Why do some of you think the lbar and forecasting is doomed on TWC? Have you actually been watching TWC lately? A year ago (give or take) when there was long form about the only forecast you got was :38 and :58. There were no Local on the 8s, L-bar or otherwise. Now every 30 minutes there is a live weather update, always a local forecast of some kind on the 8s, more break ins and updates for severe weather events. Yes its not ideal and we know everyone hates longform but TWC has done a much better job focusing back on weather.
Not really. They're just providing a little more weather information during and around longform. There's a big difference between that and actually providing more weather information, period (meaning less longform).
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Why do some of you think the lbar and forecasting is doomed on TWC? Have you actually been watching TWC lately? A year ago (give or take) when there was long form about the only forecast you got was :38 and :58. There were no Local on the 8s, L-bar or otherwise. Now every 30 minutes there is a live weather update, always a local forecast of some kind on the 8s, more break ins and updates for severe weather events. Yes its not ideal and we know everyone hates longform but TWC has done a much better job focusing back on weather.
Yeah, you are right. I was probably being a bit too dramatic about TWC eliminating weather forecasts and the L-bar. Just have to stay positive. :P
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Saw the L-bar at 8:48AM PT during "Day Planner," so it hasn't been discontinued :D
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Haven't seen the L-bar in over a week so maybe it has been discontinued :dunno:
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Haven't seen the L-bar in over a week so maybe it has been discontinued :dunno:
It looks like TWC is changing the way it presents weather information during longform programming. As it stands now, longform has no weather information, except on the 8s, when the LDL is used.
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So, is the transparent TWC logo and LDL-only LOT8s effective on ALL long-form shows now? :unsure: I remember that in the past, this was only being tested on selected shows, such as Peter Lik.
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So, is the transparent TWC logo and LDL-only LOT8s effective on ALL long-form shows now? :unsure: I remember that in the past, this was only being tested on selected shows, such as Peter Lik.
I have no idea whether TWC has made a final decision on this, but it seems to be the direction they're going in.
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Honestly, I think it's a fluke.
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Haven't seen the L-bar in over a week so maybe it has been discontinued :dunno:
I'm afraid so.
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Haven't seen the L-bar in over a week so maybe it has been discontinued :dunno:
I'm afraid so.
Me too.
I didn't mind any of the long form programming as long as I'd get an L-bar (and a radar, especially when severe weather is approaching as it was this afternoon) every ten minutes.
Let's face it... when you have severe weather approaching your area, a local radar every 30 minutes just doesn't cut it. :no:
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TWC doesn't care anymore, IMO. They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing. The L-bar was a good idea to at least show radar and a forecast. All you have now is some dinky LDL. :club: You absolutely cannot rely on TWC for severe weather coverage (or really any weather coverage) anymore.
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They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing.
That's another thing. A few years ago, a minimal TS (I forget which one) was moving parallel to the east coast. A few of the outer bands were reaching land, but the eyewall never even came close. TWC went wall-to-wall with it, and I didn't see a LF for at least 4 hours. And yes, there was severe weather in my area that day. :angry:
For me, my best bet is WGN's 24/7 news sister station CLTV. They normally do "Weather on the 1s." In times of severe weather, they usually have a small radar image running constantly in the lower left hand corner of the screen, even when they're airing their long form programming.
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It looks like TWC is changing the way it presents weather information during longform programming. As it stands now, longform has no weather information, except on the 8s, when the LDL is used.
Yeah, like the LDL is quite useful for me... they don't even show it long enough for it to go through all the cities (just halfway through the second one). :rolleyes:
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I saw the L bar here tonight it's been awhile since I watched TWC but I find it takes up too much room.
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I saw the L bar here tonight it's been awhile since I watched TWC but I find it takes up too much room.
The HD feed has so much wasted space with the L-bar, but it's in good proportion, I think, on the SD feed.
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I saw the L bar here tonight it's been awhile since I watched TWC but I find it takes up too much room.
The HD feed has so much wasted space with the L-bar, but it's in good proportion, I think, on the SD feed.
The squeezeback on the HD feed is the exact same system that runs the one on the SD, however if you think about how HDTV was before 4:3 letterbox SD became more of a standard (Fox News, CNN, ESPN, etc), there was extra space to the left and right of the channel on their HD feed, respectively..
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I saw the L bar here tonight it's been awhile since I watched TWC but I find it takes up too much room.
The HD feed has so much wasted space with the L-bar, but it's in good proportion, I think, on the SD feed.
The squeezeback on the HD feed is the exact same system that runs the one on the SD, however if you think about how HDTV was before 4:3 letterbox SD became more of a standard (Fox News, CNN, ESPN, etc), there was extra space to the left and right of the channel on their HD feed, respectively..
Exactly. Compared with Europe, so much of digital television in the U.S. is just the SD picture with extra space, where nothing much happens, on the left and right of the screen. I think it's going to be that way for some time until HD really replaced SD sets in most people's homes. Just look at color TV in the U.S.: it was nearly a decade and a half before color programs became the norm and not just "specials" aired between regular black and white programming.
Certainly, the HD Intellistar could be programmed to make better use of all that extra space on the L-bar. But it probably won't happen for a while.
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It's irritating. Apparently shows like "Ice Pilots" are too important to interrupt with an L-bar forecast every ten minutes. :rolleyes:
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TWC doesn't care anymore, IMO. They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing. The L-bar was a good idea to at least show radar and a forecast. All you have now is some dinky LDL. :club: You absolutely cannot rely on TWC for severe weather coverage (or really any weather coverage) anymore.
That is so sad. :(
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TWC doesn't care anymore, IMO. They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing. The L-bar was a good idea to at least show radar and a forecast. All you have now is some dinky LDL. :club: You absolutely cannot rely on TWC for severe weather coverage (or really any weather coverage) anymore.
That is so sad. :(
You should also note that the quote you just did was from August 2011 and things have definitely changed since then
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TWC doesn't care anymore, IMO. They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing. The L-bar was a good idea to at least show radar and a forecast. All you have now is some dinky LDL. :club: You absolutely cannot rely on TWC for severe weather coverage (or really any weather coverage) anymore.
That is so sad. :(
You should also note that the quote you just did was from August 2011 and things have definitely changed since then
Things certainly have changed since then. :P
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TWC doesn't care anymore, IMO. They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing. The L-bar was a good idea to at least show radar and a forecast. All you have now is some dinky LDL. :club: You absolutely cannot rely on TWC for severe weather coverage (or really any weather coverage) anymore.
That is so sad. :(
You should also note that the quote you just did was from August 2011 and things have definitely changed since then
Things certainly have changed since then. :P
I realize that was nearly 8 months ago. Have things really changed since then?
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TWC doesn't care anymore, IMO. They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing. The L-bar was a good idea to at least show radar and a forecast. All you have now is some dinky LDL. :club: You absolutely cannot rely on TWC for severe weather coverage (or really any weather coverage) anymore.
That is so sad. :(
You should also note that the quote you just did was from August 2011 and things have definitely changed since then
Things certainly have changed since then. :P
I realize that was nearly 8 months ago. Have things really changed since then?
Just watch and find out for yourself. Thats all i can say
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The Weather Channel has changed so much since I started watching it that I honestly don't think I'll be pleased with any changes they make unless they return to the mission that they started with. Since I doubt that's going to happen, I doubt I'm going to see the network the same way as I did in the past.
Remember when The Learning Channel actually focused on education? Remember when Bravo actually focused on high culture? Remember when The Weather Channel actually focused on weather?
Television is careening towards a homogeneous stew simply because advertisers want to stick with what people already know. Reporting on the movement of a cold front across the North American continent isn't going to attract as many advertisers as showing people being pulled out of the ocean or helicoptered to a hospital from the tundra.
Yes, I think it's 100% sad that advertising basically dictates what appears on the television screen. Even sadder is that there's precious little alternative. Americans would start a new revolution if they had to pay a license fee like Britons do to support the BBC. (Even thought the caliber of BBC programming is so much higher than almost all American programming.)
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All I am going to say is that TWC did a FABULOUS job covering the severe weather/tornadoes in Texas today. (I am biased because this is my hometown, so you better believe I was tuning it in to TWC to see if they were covering anything or not. :P) Obviously, TWC doesn't show around-the-clock live weather coverage as much as they used to, but when the time comes, they will pre-empt accordingly.
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I didn't watch it, but I know they only bothered to cover it because it was tornadoes affecting a large population area to cover their own butts, they wouldn't have given a crap if it had of been of string of them hitting a rural area.
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TWC doesn't care anymore, IMO. They will continue to promote programming uninterrupted, unless a tropical system is nearing. The L-bar was a good idea to at least show radar and a forecast. All you have now is some dinky LDL. :club: You absolutely cannot rely on TWC for severe weather coverage (or really any weather coverage) anymore.
That is so sad. :(
You should also note that the quote you just did was from August 2011 and things have definitely changed since then
Things certainly have changed since then. :P
I realize that was nearly 8 months ago. Have things really changed since then?
Maybe a bit of exaggeration. :P But TWC does a good job, from what I have seen, of covering severe weather when necessary. However, Tavores has a point. TWC has to be more consistent in their coverage. For instance, in the summertime down here, severe weather occurs on almost a daily basis. In terms of the overall quality, TWC has gotten worse, especially with the music and the programming.
The Weather Channel has changed so much since I started watching it that I honestly don't think I'll be pleased with any changes they make unless they return to the mission that they started with. Since I doubt that's going to happen, I doubt I'm going to see the network the same way as I did in the past.
Remember when The Learning Channel actually focused on education? Remember when Bravo actually focused on high culture? Remember when The Weather Channel actually focused on weather?
Television is careening towards a homogeneous stew simply because advertisers want to stick with what people already know. Reporting on the movement of a cold front across the North American continent isn't going to attract as many advertisers as showing people being pulled out of the ocean or helicoptered to a hospital from the tundra.
Yes, I think it's 100% sad that advertising basically dictates what appears on the television screen. Even sadder is that there's precious little alternative. Americans would start a new revolution if they had to pay a license fee like Britons do to support the BBC. (Even thought the caliber of BBC programming is so much higher than almost all American programming.)
I agree with you. Disney, Nickelodeon, MTV, TWC, TLC, Vh1, and others have all abandoned their original formats for essentially a promotion of reality TV and/or whatever stuff is popular. TV programming is not the same as it was even 10 years ago.
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I didn't watch it, but I know they only bothered to cover it because it was tornadoes affecting a large population area to cover their own butts, they wouldn't have given a crap if it had of been of string of them hitting a rural area.
Exactly. That's just what I was going to say.