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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2011, 11:23:13 AM »
I've heard of cable systems using a more distant STAR in case of failure of the local one, but I don't think I've ever heard of a headend keeping a second, more obsolete, STAR as a backup in case the primary one fails!  Very interesting!

If I am correct, the XL failed completely, or is just being repaired (possibly an upgrade due to jump of subscribers?). If the local forecast was unavailable, it would just switch to a national feed, but this is pretty sweet.

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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2011, 11:51:40 AM »
I've heard of cable systems using a more distant STAR in case of failure of the local one, but I don't think I've ever heard of a headend keeping a second, more obsolete, STAR as a backup in case the primary one fails!  Very interesting!
(possibly an upgrade due to jump of subscribers?)
That has absolutely nothing to do with the headend upgrading their equipment.
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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #92 on: June 12, 2011, 12:30:32 PM »
Troy Cable is based out of Troy, AL (which is about 30-45mi away from us) and they have just opened another headend in Ozark, so my thoughts are (just a thought, no need for anybody to jump all over me, correct me if I am wrong) are that they are buying an Intellistar for Ozark, while they are using a plain 4000 that is not programmed for any specific cable company (hence CITY CABLEVISION on the ID screen).

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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #93 on: June 22, 2011, 02:40:00 PM »
There is only 1 4000 in New England that I saw on wikipedia. It is located in Northfield Vermont. No Degration on this unit :clap:
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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2011, 10:11:45 PM »
Those people in Northfield are lucky. When I moved to Claremont NH I was hoping there would be a 4000 here since it's much more rural than where I moved from, but was disappointed to see it was still an Intellistar, probably because it's Comcast here. The 4000 where I grew up in CT was replaced by an XL in the late 90s, and of course that too is now an Intellistar.

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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2011, 10:23:50 PM »
The 4000 was an excellent machine for its time, but its time has since passed.  Twenty years on, its graphics and even its font are terribly outdated, its abilities, while fantastic in the 1990s, seem very restricted now, and its abilities to change are practically nonexistent.  The last change that I know of was to the more square (yet still old) TWC logo, lower-case forecasts, and a change to the radar screen font.  After that, I think TWC has just stopped any plans to update it (quite right), and only supports the data feed to it now.

The Jr. is better than nothing, but that's where it ends.  The III was discontinued because TWC saw no purpose in spending a lot of money to upgrade a machine that was already 20 years old to meet new FCC regulations.  And, other than the fact that it still works and has graphics in addition to text, the 4000 is pretty much at the end of its lifetime, too.  Sure, it can go on for another 20 years, probably, or so long as the SD feed exists, but it's never going to grow past what it is now, unlike the Intellistar and (possibly) the XL.

I would be quite unhappy if I had to watch local forecasts generated by a 21-year-old machine every day.  Believe me, I LOVED the 4000 when it first came out because it was so much better than what there was before.  But it has since become so incredibly outdated that the only reason to keep it is for a small cable company to save money and not upgrade.  Other than that, I can think of no reasons at all to favor the 4000 over something newer.

Yes, I do miss the days when the 4000 and even the III were used and when I saw them every day.  But that's only nostalgic value.  I also miss TWC actually focusing entirely on weather forecasts.  I'd love for THAT to return, but... one can only hope.

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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2011, 12:28:33 AM »
The XL can go beyond what it's doing right now,  :censored: , it can even handle 3D very well! (I've seen the SGI O2 and 3D graphics)

It's just STAR team and their lazyness. The XL can damn well produce a squeezeback, and if there isn't enough HD space, then they can at least either modify the LDL to work with today's shows, since if it can support transparency, then end of discussion. Speaking of which, Brian should try a squeezeback design.

As for the 4000s and Juniors, they are at their full capabilities. However, they can at least cue an LDL during squeezeback time.


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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2011, 04:39:24 AM »
Speaking of which, Brian should try a squeezeback design.
I think he did

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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2011, 04:58:24 AM »
Is there a video of it somewhere? I must see


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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2011, 01:15:12 PM »
The XL can go beyond what it's doing right now,  :censored: , it can even handle 3D very well! (I've seen the SGI O2 and 3D graphics)

But it's not the newest system, and it's not the system preferred by TWC.  Therefore, I can understand why they'd rather not waste the money and manpower necessary to reprogram it.

As for the 4000s and Juniors, they are at their full capabilities. However, they can at least cue an LDL during squeezeback time.

That would be awkward looking, I think.  And the LDLs on those systems only give the current conditions over and over again, except for whatever 4000s are remaining in large enough markets for the "today's/tomorrow's forecast" line after the conditions.  Not worth it.

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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #100 on: July 02, 2011, 07:53:42 AM »
Well one things for sure- On the XL, they can redo the LDL at least, there's no excuse for not having one. After all there is times when they don't cue the squeezeback. That isn't much to ask.

As for the 4000 LDL, you're right on that, but it doesn't mean they could just move that today/tomorrow config to all stars, then again it would either be not possible or it would be a great pain, it's really old hardware, so that's understandable.

The XL can have alot more hope though, but the juniors and 4000s, they are just simply SOL.
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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2011, 04:21:21 PM »
They forgot the one in Jefferson, NC. That one's still up.



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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #102 on: September 09, 2011, 07:48:51 AM »
Troy Cable is based out of Troy, AL (which is about 30-45mi away from us) and they have just opened another headend in Ozark, so my thoughts are (just a thought, no need for anybody to jump all over me, correct me if I am wrong) are that they are buying an Intellistar for Ozark, while they are using a plain 4000 that is not programmed for any specific cable company (hence CITY CABLEVISION on the ID screen).


The STAR is experiencing text degradation.
Local Forecast July 7 2:08pm (4000)


May I also ask, does anybody else experience those variation speckles across the screen before and after the STAR on the SD feed?

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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2011, 03:58:59 PM »
I dont see any degradation... :unsure:
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Re: Weatherstar 4000 Locations that remain
« Reply #104 on: September 09, 2011, 04:18:36 PM »
I dont see any degradation... :unsure:

Notice other 4000's, how the text and icons are usually smoothed at the edges, these aren't. They're pixelated.