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Other => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. Rainman on January 24, 2011, 07:47:33 PM
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In just 24 hours, President Obama will deliver his State of the Union address. Last year, he made some pretty bold promises to Americans dealing with the economy, health care, and other issues. How does he stand up in your eyes?
From an economic stand-point, he's done a pretty good job. Check out this article:
http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/obama_state_of_the_union_2011/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/obama_state_of_the_union_2011/index.htm)
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I'm sure it'll be like last year. Good for nothing more than a few laughs. He'll take credit for the hard work of others, blame Bush for his failures, say we're on the right track, and (more or less) say "screw you" to those who refuse to see things his way.
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I'm sure it'll be like last year. Good for nothing more than a few laughs. He'll take credit for the hard work of others, blame Bush for his failures, and (more or less) say "screw you" to those who disagree with him.
Tsk, tsk. So President Obama is supposed to praise Bush for putting us in the deep doo-doo we were in, and still struggling to get out of? <_< He hasn't even talked about Bush in ages. President Obama has gotten through most of his plans in two years, in spite of a venomous, toxic, uncompromising right, and an very feebly supportive left. And he will continue to do so. BTW, the republicans have to step up to the plate now. What plans to they have besides trying to repealing everything that has do to with President Obama? :dunno:
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I'm sure it'll be like last year. Good for nothing more than a few laughs. He'll take credit for the hard work of others, blame Bush for his failures, and (more or less) say "screw you" to those who disagree with him.
Tsk, tsk. So President Obama is supposed to praise Bush for putting us in the deep doo-doo we were in, and still struggling to get out of? <_< He hasn't even talked about Bush in ages. President Obama has gotten through most of his plans in two years, in spite of a venomous, toxic, uncompromising right, and an very feebly supportive left. And he will continue to do so. BTW, the republicans have to step up to the plate now. What plans to they have besides trying to repealing everything that has do to with President Obama? :dunno:
lol ok
But anyway we shall see Obama do what he does best tomorrow night.... talking. He will say some pretty things about working together and compromise and the usual folks will praise it.
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I find it interesting that Democrats and Republicans are going to be seated together. It will make for awkward standing ovation situations.
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I'm sure it'll be like last year. Good for nothing more than a few laughs. He'll take credit for the hard work of others, blame Bush for his failures, and (more or less) say "screw you" to those who disagree with him.
Tsk, tsk. So President Obama is supposed to praise Bush for putting us in the deep doo-doo we were in, and still struggling to get out of? <_< He hasn't even talked about Bush in ages. President Obama has gotten through most of his plans in two years, in spite of a venomous, toxic, uncompromising right, and an very feebly supportive left. And he will continue to do so. BTW, the republicans have to step up to the plate now. What plans to they have besides trying to repealing everything that has do to with President Obama? :dunno:
lol ok
But anyway we shall see Obama do what he does best tomorrow night.... talking. He will say some pretty things about working together and compromise and the usual folks will praise it.
Well we've seen what the republicans do best...talk...and say no to everything. Now that they have the House, what are the republicans going to do? What real plans do they have for jobs and the economy? What will Boehner do besides cry? :cry3: Don't worry about the President. BTW, he has ALREADY accomplished more in two years than Bush did in EIGHT. :yes:
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What will Boehner do besides cry? :cry3:
I don't understand why liberals are so obsessed with this. Yes, he cries. So what? :rolleyes: I mean, if Obama's only fault was that he cried every now and then, then I'd be pretty happy with him.
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What will Boehner do besides cry? :cry3:
I don't understand why liberals are so obsessed with this. Yes, he cries. So what? :rolleyes: I mean, if Obama's only fault was that he cried every now and then, then I'd be pretty happy with him.
Because it's all they got to go on. Healthcare is being rejected by the public, unemployment is at 9.6% and the list goes on. The only thing the dems can go on are personal attacks and blaming Bush. It is rather funny and predictable.
And let me ask this. Why is it now the republicans who have to step up to the plate? Does that means the democrats failed? The Senate and President is still controlled by democrats so I wouldn't worry about much of anything happening for the next two years. For the record I am just as much pissed off at republicans as democrats.
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Because it's all they got to go on. Healthcare is being rejected by the public, unemployment is at 9.6% and the list goes on.
Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
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I ain't exactly thrilled with the democratic party as a whole. Some democrats, particularly progressives, annoy me. :rolleyes: But I'll take their crap and side with them more readily than the republicans. At least they don't want to repeal social security, medicare, and unemployment, and give endless benefits to the corporate elite. :club:
President Obama isn't Superman. He can't automatically fix our mess in only 25 months. This is like New Orleans after Katrina. There is still a lot of mess, still places that are ravaged. But as a whole, there is optimism. There are signs.
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Because it's all they got to go on. Healthcare is being rejected by the public, unemployment is at 9.6% and the list goes on.
Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
Right on. :yes:
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Because it's all they got to go on. Healthcare is being rejected by the public, unemployment is at 9.6% and the list goes on.
Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
If thats true then props to him! I will admit the economy is recovering slowly.I don't disagree with Obama all the time but I don't think he is the greatest thing ever. People get worked up over politics too much.
Because it's all they got to go on. Healthcare is being rejected by the public, unemployment is at 9.6% and the list goes on.
Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
Right on. :yes:
That was necessary?
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Because it's all they got to go on. Healthcare is being rejected by the public, unemployment is at 9.6% and the list goes on.
Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
If thats true then props to him! I will admit the economy is recovering slowly.I don't disagree with Obama all the time but I don't think he is the greatest thing ever. People get worked up over politics too much.
Because it's all they got to go on. Healthcare is being rejected by the public, unemployment is at 9.6% and the list goes on.
Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
Right on. :yes:
That was necessary?
Yes, because it is fact. :yes: Like I said, President Obama isn't Superman. He can't automatically fix all of our mess in two years. :wacko:
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Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
Awesome. Now if only Obama could stop Christie from eliminating practically millions of jobs and his cuts in education here in NJ. <_<
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Just gonna throw this out there... unemployment may be at 9.6%, but the Obama administration created more jobs last year than Bush did in his 8 year term.
Awesome. Now if only Obama could stop Christie from eliminating practically millions of jobs and his cuts in education here in NJ. <_<
The federal government can't do that. It's the state's right to cut back whatever services they see fit or can no longer afford. Although it saddens me to say this, as long as the state meets federal mandates for education, the state can cut back as much as it wants.
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If schools would just cut unnecessary programs I think they would find a lot more funds. There is a lot of waste in my former public school system
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Agreed Martin. For example, my Aunt is a teacher, and the district she teaches in just bought 50 iPads. Talk about a horrible/expensive investment. As far as I'm concerned they have no educational benefit.
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White House online will be providing an "enhanced" feed of the speech. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2011) Interesting use of technology.
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I've been up since 11 pm last night. I'm going to sleep. Let the pundits deal with the politics....I'll read a summary in tomorrow's press, after I get some shut-eye.
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I'm sure it'll be like last year. Good for nothing more than a few laughs. He'll take credit for the hard work of others, blame Bush for his failures, say we're on the right track, and (more or less) say "screw you" to those who refuse to see things his way.
Matt, you are correct. I could not agree with you more. Remember him lying about Chief Justice Samuel Alito and him shaking his head and saying, "That's not true. That's not true."?
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All i heard was High Speed Rail and Faster Planes, Wow in 2011? or more like the year 3000? :bleh:
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so many promises...so little action <_<
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I am probably in minority here on this board, but I thought it was a well spoken, well articulated, moving, thoughtful speech. :clap: I am very satisfied with Presdient Obama's State of the Union. Those of you who want to nitpick and criticize him will never fully appreciate it. <_<
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so many promises...so little action <_<
How can you get any action when there was a lack of bipartsmanship on everything from how to handle jobs, education, healthcare, etc. The past two years have been nothing but a dramatic battle of the left wing vs the right with the media standing right there sensationalizing it to the extreme. Headaches on top of headaches. :itsok: Personally neither party has a clear cut solution on how to fix anything, that's why should be trying to collaborate together instead of wasting time destroying the other party as much as humanly possible. Did you see how much money was wasted on campaigning last year? No wonder were still in the crapper.
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so many promises...so little action <_<
and so little money.
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Personally neither party has a clear cut solution on how to fix anything, that's why should be trying to collaborate together instead of wasting time destroying the other party as much as humanly possible. Did you see how much money was wasted on campaigning last year? No wonder were still in the crapper.
I have no agree. I've heard a lot of great ideas from politicians on my side, but they don't seem to be "together" on specifics. And some, quite frankly, still don't get it.
The speech was exactly what I thought it would be. Nothing more than a "there, there, everything's gonna be just fine" and "we can do it!" type speech. A lot of goals. Some good, some bad (he seems to think the last election's message was "spend more!"). But nothing specific. Then again, that's what SOTUs are pretty much all about. It's just a big show.
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All i heard was High Speed Rail and Faster Planes, Wow in 2011? or more like the year 3000? :bleh:
Faster High Speed Rail, with current tech is possible. Although the fastest any land vehicle can travel in North America is 150MPH(Amtrak Acela Runs at this speed-Philly to Boston). Cost is probably the concerns though.
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I'm all for the Keystone Corridor (Pit-Phi high-speed rail). It's been on the table for some time....would essentially link Pittsburgh to the Northeast Corridor.
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I'd like a high speed rail here in Florida. It would save the amount of time and gas it takes to drive from Tampa to Orlando.
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Mass wants a High Speed rail From Fall River to New Bedford to connect to Providence to Boston but they are stick in a rut, they are looking for a Bus Route along Route 24 if there is no compromise.
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I was wondering why a lot of his speech sounded familiar...
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/alvin-felzenberg/2011/01/26/obamas-state-of-the-union-was-tantamount-to-plagiarism (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/alvin-felzenberg/2011/01/26/obamas-state-of-the-union-was-tantamount-to-plagiarism)
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I was wondering why a lot of his speech sounded familiar...
[url]http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/alvin-felzenberg/2011/01/26/obamas-state-of-the-union-was-tantamount-to-plagiarism[/url] ([url]http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/alvin-felzenberg/2011/01/26/obamas-state-of-the-union-was-tantamount-to-plagiarism[/url])
So how come the President can plagarize without getting in big trouble, but we can't...what's going on here? :hammer:
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If any of you haven't paid attention, speeches commonly take quotes or ideas from speeches of the past. So if he took a few parts from speeches to emphasize his points so friggin what. This is a stupid and pointless article. :thumbdown: 91% approved of his speech according to the polls. Obviously, some of the 9 percent of people who didn't like it are on this board. :club:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html)
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There's a big difference between using a few quotes here and there, and patching speeches together; making it sound like your own. Of course most liked it. It was all warm and fuzzy. He said a lot of things that sounded good. The 9% probably saw it more like an episode of Family Guy. :P
Family Guy - Undecided Voters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg#)
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There's a big difference between using a few quotes here and there, and patching speeches together; making it sound like your own. Of course most liked it. It was all warm and fuzzy. He said a lot of things that sounded good. The 9% probably saw it more like an episode of Family Guy. :P
Family Guy - Undecided Voters ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg#[/url])
Loved that episode
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*bump* Don't want to make another thread, so I'll just post here. For those of you interested, President Obama will be giving his potentially last State of the Union address tonight. Although I'm sure he will put forth some valid plans, I'd watch to see how much he tries and campaigns for his re-election. The speech begins at 9 PM ET.
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Wow, that was an...interesting proposal. From CNN:
President Obama: "I call on every state to require that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18."
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President Obama: "I call on every state to require that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18."
And just how do you propose to do that, Mr. President? Round them up? :P All in all, I thought it was a decent speech for Obama. He waited almost 40 minutes before he started misleading the public. When he makes all his grand promises, I can't help but hearing "which is why I'm proposing that the rich pay a little bit more, so that everyone can have a pony" or "which is why I want to close all oil companies and run our cars on skittles!" :rofl2:
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If any of you haven't paid attention, speeches commonly take quotes or ideas from speeches of the past. So if he took a few parts from speeches to emphasize his points so friggin what. This is a stupid and pointless article. :thumbdown: 91% approved of his speech according to the polls. Obviously, some of the 9 percent of people who didn't like it are on this board. :club:
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html[/url])
Thank You! I don't want to get into any political debate here but most of the people on here don't like Obama/his speech for reasons in which I don't know. That's definitely true.
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President Obama: "I call on every state to require that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18."
And just how do you propose to do that, Mr. President? Round them up? :P All in all, I thought it was a decent speech for Obama. He waited almost 40 minutes before he started misleading the public. When he makes all his grand promises, I can't help but hearing "which is why I'm proposing that the rich pay a little bit more, so that everyone can have a pony" or "which is why I want to close all oil companies and run our cars on skittles!" :rofl2:
I don't understand what is the strong resistance to wanting to research into using cleaner energy sources. Oil is not a renewable energy source no matter how many other places we choose to get them from, so once it's gone what are we gonna do then? I'm not saying we have to dive into the deep end on cleaner energy sources, but we should be gearing ourselves into that direction instead of relying on one resource to get us by.
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If any of you haven't paid attention, speeches commonly take quotes or ideas from speeches of the past. So if he took a few parts from speeches to emphasize his points so friggin what. This is a stupid and pointless article. :thumbdown: 91% approved of his speech according to the polls. Obviously, some of the 9 percent of people who didn't like it are on this board. :club:
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029581-503544.html[/url])
Thank You! I don't want to get into any political debate here but most of the people on here don't like Obama/his speech for reasons in which I don't know. That's definitely true.
Thanks for using my quote from last year. :P But it still stands true today. President Obama had an outstanding SOTU speech. One of the most striking things that he said was that the big banks and corporations were not going to recieve the bailouts, handouts, and copouts that they received before.
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Agreed it's always oil this oil that and I'm tired of it. We need to discover new resources to offset our worry on oil. Whatever happened to ethanol or electrically operates cars? Aren't they supposed to be alternatives to oil using automobiles or are those cars just failed business models?
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I agreed with most of what Obama said. He did a good job of scolding Congress (both the Dems and Republicans looked like they were sitting on a tack when he said that). I support his high school idea, and I agree that we need to do anything we can to build our economy right here on home ground.
He also had a few good traditionally Republican ideas as well, like cutting back on government regulation (although he kinda blew it by also wanting a few new government agencies for investigating financial and trade fraud).
I didn't watch the Indiana Governor's response for the GOP, or Herman Cain's response for the Tea Party, so I'll have to watch those later.
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I don't understand what is the strong resistance to wanting to research into using cleaner energy sources. Oil is not a renewable energy source no matter how many other places we choose to get them from, so once it's gone what are we gonna do then? I'm not saying we have to dive into the deep end on cleaner energy sources, but we should be gearing ourselves into that direction instead of relying on one resource to get us by.
Couple problems with that. One, there is currently no viable alternative energy source. While the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers, it should at least only be funding things that are proven to work. I think everyone agrees that we need to find alternative energy sources. However, some (like myself) don't think the tax payers should be on the hook for it.
He also had a few good traditionally Republican ideas as well, like cutting back on government regulation (although he kinda blew it by also wanting a few new government agencies for investigating financial and trade fraud).
I listened to the whole speech and didn't hear one non-liberal idea. On this point, he failed to mention that they've added 75,000 new regulations.
Thanks for using my quote from last year. :P But it still stands true today. President Obama had an outstanding SOTU speech. One of the most striking things that he said was that the big banks and corporations were not going to recieve the bailouts, handouts, and copouts that they received before.
Probably because he just rewrites the same speech each year.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/havent-we-heard_618462.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/havent-we-heard_618462.html)
As for banks and corporations no longer receiving bailouts...I'll believe it when I see it. :lol:
There were only two things that really ticked me off about the speech. One, he wants more power. More power!? Are you kidding me!? He's inches away from being a dictator and he wants more power? :censored: Two, he still doesn't understand (or doesn't want the American people to understand) that Warren Buffett and his secretary do NOT pay the same tax! She pays income, he primarily pays capital gains. Capital gains is lower than income because it's not guaranteed income. You're taking a risk. You could make a lot of money, but you could also lose it. But most importantly, you invest with income, which you have...wait for it....ALREADY BEEN TAXED ON!!!!! :rolleyes:
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I felt Obama's speech was pretty good myself.
I loved how he looked at Congress and told them to stop bickering and work as a team like the military so things can get moving for OUR benefit. I wished he'd have said that two years ago. The man is willing to work with the GOP, but basically been telling him "F-ck you" and sending him bills they know he will veto so they can say he hasn't done anything. Hell, Sen. McConnell flat out said he wants Obama out in 2012 and will do what he can to do so.
I'm all for getting alternative energy sources off and running. It will take time to get them viable enough to use. Why wait until the oil runs out before we start doing anything? That's @ss-backwards.
The only proposal I didn't like is the feds giving more money to keep teachers from being laid off. Some school districts are losing students while other districts are gaining students. Cut some teachers from those districts that are losing students and allow them to get on in districts that are gaining students.
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Agree with Pop Light Brown. We need to do the research for alternative energy. Sure, we found oil in North Dakota, and that's gonna last us for a little bit, but for how long? We need to find a viable source soon and find it right here in our country. And I'd check to see how much of your tax money is going to go to this research. There is a website out there that shows you, as Obama promised he would create last year.
I thought the reduction of government involvement was a Republican idea? Or did the party suddenly switch views? Sure, I'm doubtful that he's gonna pull it off, but he DID have ideas to do so.
The "power" was more of a threat in the case that Congress still decides to be uncooperative and prevent anything from getting done this year. "Inches away from being a dictator?" Yes, we are so close to being just like North Korea. <_<
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The "power" was more of a threat in the case that Congress still decides to be uncooperative and prevent anything from getting done this year. "Inches away from being a dictator?" Yes, we are so close to being just like North Korea. <_<
Exactly. People are tired of the do-nothing Congress, and it is reflected in its barely double-digit approval rating. And ironically, part of the disapproval comes from many Republicans. As Pop Light Brown said, the GOP and Tea Party have been hoping and praying that our country fails under President Obama. McConnell and Boehner both said what their goal is. And if you're talking about dictatorship, how do you explain Newton wanting to put children to work as janitors, and Willard wanting houses to run its course and get foreclosed, then?
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The "power" was more of a threat in the case that Congress still decides to be uncooperative and prevent anything from getting done this year. "Inches away from being a dictator?" Yes, we are so close to being just like North Korea. <_<
Exactly. People are tired of the do-nothing Congress, and it is reflected in its barely double-digit approval rating. And ironically, part of the disapproval comes from many Republicans. As Pop Light Brown said, the GOP and Tea Party have been hoping and praying that our country fails under President Obama. McConnell and Boehner both said what their goal is. And if you're talking about dictatorship, how do you explain Newton wanting to put children to work as janitors, and Willard wanting houses to run its course and get foreclosed, then?
That was just as bad as his statement about Obama being the foodstamp president for blacks which bothered me no matter how much he tried to twist the words around to sound better than it did. I don't get why people are taking this guy seriously. I hate he won SC, that only fed into his ego and he's sure to win his homestate GA come Super Tuesday in March. <_<
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Obama will only work with the GOP if they compromise their values and do everything he wants. I'm sorry, but "working together" means that BOTH sides make compromises towards a COMMON GOAL. Smaller government is definitely at the core of the GOP or at least conservatism. Obama has done nothing conservative. It's been all liberal all the way. But it's not like I ever expect him to do anything else.
Saying that the Tea Party wants the country to fail is a flat out lie, as I've explained before. Just because you don't want your children and grandchildren crippled with debt, doesn't mean you hate the country. And anyone with more intelligence that a pile of dog crap knows that. I'm sure I'll get a spanking for saying something that, but come on! How much lower can you get than to say that I want my country to go under (I'm a Tea Party member). :censored: Needless to say, I've had enough of this conversation. As much as I love talking about politics, there's not much point in carrying on a conversation with someone that childish.
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Saying that the Tea Party wants the country to fail is a flat out lie, as I've explained before. Just because you don't want your children and grandchildren crippled with debt, doesn't mean you hate the country. And anyone with more intelligence that a pile of dog crap knows that. I'm sure I'll get a spanking for saying something that, but come on! How much lower can you get than to say that I want my country to go under (I'm a Tea Party member). :censored: Needless to say, I've had enough of this conversation. As much as I love talking about politics, there's not much point in carrying on a conversation with someone that childish.
Childish?! :rofl2: And what I said may not apply to you, but it applies to many people in your party. I am just stating facts. But too many conservatives simply cannot handle the truth! It is well documented what Rush Limbaugh, Mitch McConnell, and John Boehner all said. You can Google it. The President has gone out of his way to compromise with the GOP, and he has repeated been rejected and disrespected. Many of us liberals thought he was too compromising at times, but you have to give a little to get something done. I will say one last thing. The State of the Union further cemented the difference between him and Newton Gingrich and/or Willard Romney. :P
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Wow, that was an...interesting proposal. From CNN:
President Obama: "I call on every state to require that all students stay in high school until they graduate or turn 18."
Let your school system try it out and experience the misery I had to go through. This was the policy for my public school system and it was horrible. Kids who typically drop out don't want to be in school. Forcing them and holding their hand through a couple extra years does NOTHING. They degrade the classroom environment and could care less about academics. Sounds great on paper but in practice it sucks. In fact you will probably see failure rates increase per grade level.