The Front Porch

[Logica]

Oh, I never see that till now.

[Concentric Eyewall]

Interesting, we just had a CFL burn out in my kitchen stove light, and it's only been installed since November of last year. I don't think it's the bulb that went out, though, since when it went out, we messed with it and it came back on for a few seconds, and then went back off. I'm guessing the ballast failed or overheated in this case.

Sorry, but anything that doesn't produce light now needs to go back to the drawing board.  I'm not going to wait five minutes while I have to use the bathroom to get light!

[Concentric Eyewall]

That's common. It's frequently associated with admin-only tasks too like locking a topic, warning members, deleting threads, etc.

Victor, you're missing his point.  It's a Guest who is performing those privileges

[Mike M]

Sorry, but anything that doesn't produce light now needs to go back to the drawing board.  I'm not going to wait five minutes while I have to use the bathroom to get light!

Agreed. What I also don't like about fluorescents is that they won't dim (if you use them with one of those dimmers in the wall switches). They also provide a shade of light that I don't like (it's usually more of a bluish then a pure white), and AFAIK they don't make transparent CFL bulbs for the bathroom.

[Localonthe8s]

That's common. It's frequently associated with admin-only tasks too like locking a topic, warning members, deleting threads, etc.

Victor, you're missing his point.  It's a Guest who is performing those privileges

just my 2 cents

[Stephen]

Sorry, but anything that doesn't produce light now needs to go back to the drawing board.  I'm not going to wait five minutes while I have to use the bathroom to get light!

Well, you're not supposed to use CFLs in the bathroom in the first place.

[Mike M]

Well, you're not supposed to use CFLs in the bathroom in the first place.

So when incandescents are discontinued, then what do we use to get light?

[Concentric Eyewall]

Sorry, but anything that doesn't produce light now needs to go back to the drawing board.  I'm not going to wait five minutes while I have to use the bathroom to get light!

Well, you're not supposed to use CFLs in the bathroom in the first place.

Whatever.  The bedroom, the family room, whatever.

Why not, anyway?

[Stephen]

So when incandescents are discontinued, then what do we use to get light?

You'll have to let someone else figure that one out.

Why not, anyway?

Because the CFL's lifetime is reduced dramatically (by 85%) if it is constantly being turned off and on, like it would be in a bathroom.

[Gil]

Sounds like CFL's are a piece of crap, which they are. Stephen, you have absolutely NO argument on this one. The cons outweigh the pro's by far.

Here's a little bit of "light" basics/rules:

1. They should be able to be used in any location. Obviously CFL's aren't...
2. Instant light is a given. You should NEVER have to WAIT for light to come on.
3. Dimmers. People like them, they should be able to use them.

Regarding the law about banning them: What the .These things are obviously pieces of shit, and do more bad than good. The *******ONLY******* pro about them is that they save energy, and for most, thats not a tremendously big issue. Damn republicans.

-Gil, who proudly doesn't own a single CFL bulb. And never will.

[Concentric Eyewall]

Because the CFL's lifetime is reduced dramatically (by 85%) if it is constantly being turned off and on, like it would be in a bathroom.

Sounds....attracting.  Just another "condition" of a CFL..

[Stephen]

1. They should be able to be used in any location. Obviously CFL's aren't...

That I'll agree with, but I won't agree with 2 and 3.

2. Instant light is a given. You should NEVER have to WAIT for light to come on.

Only older CFLs had that problem. With most modern CFLs, they start up instantly.

3. Dimmers. People like them, they should be able to use them.

They can. There are special CFLs out there that are compatible with dimmer switches.

BTW, just so there's no confusion - while I am for CFLs - I am NOT for the banning of incandescents.

[wxmancanada]

The SAM package I got was "Evolution". It costed about $400 for the 2 CD's and then the licence fee's atop that.

[Concentric Eyewall]

Damn republicans.

What does this have to do with Republicans?

Steve, I haven't had a single CFL that didn't start out dim at first

The idea is great, however there are too many cons to justify them being better than incandescents.  I do operate about ten of these bulbs, however.

[Stephen]

Steve, I haven't had a single CFL that didn't start out dim at first

That's correct, they do start out dim, but I actually don't mind that. I mean, I don't want to be blinded by the full brightness of the light every time I turn it on when I wake up in the morning. And besides, I usually keep it on all day (except when I go to school but even then, when I get home and turn my light on, I usually have to go get something before I can settle down, so the bulb usually warms up almost completely by then.).