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Other => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mike M on February 15, 2012, 06:50:52 PM
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Here we go again...
http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-cleveland/president-obama-threatening-to-cut-the-budget-of-the-national-weather-service (http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-cleveland/president-obama-threatening-to-cut-the-budget-of-the-national-weather-service)
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Sigh. When is Congress going to learn to cut useless crap and not the important stuff?
Apparently Obama doesn't quite understand how significant of a role NWS played last year. Their budget for 2011 was $1.032 billion that year. The total cost of natural disasters that year was well over 20 billion dollars. If NWS wasn't around for those, then the cost of those disasters would significantly increase. That's not even taking into account the exponential increase in lives lost. Cutting the computer technology to get warnings out is asinine.
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I doubt this is Obama's plan.. it sounds like something that congress would propose
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I doubt this is Obama's plan.. it sounds like something that congress would propose
I would think so because I recall not very long ago late last year (probably after Irene) he said he wanted the NWS budget and federal aid for natural disasters to be expanded.
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Obama is turning into a Corbett; he is cutting the wrong things. The NWS is one of the last things to consider budget cuts for.
Ed Rendell said it best... "We are a nation of wussies." :yes:
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Ed Rendell said it best... "We are a nation of wussies." :yes:
I remember Ed from this classic interview. As much as I love the idea of him calling a CBS reporter a simpleton, he needs to take an anger management class.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-10/entertainment/29967926_1_ed-rendell-lesley-stahl-simpletons (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-10/entertainment/29967926_1_ed-rendell-lesley-stahl-simpletons)
I read about that quote, though, and agree with him 100%. In fact, it made me laugh because he sounds like me. :P
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LOL they could've just produced more money to offset the debt. I realize inflation will result, but so what? Inflation is already rising, regardless of the amount of money being produced so they might as well consider it.
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I remember Ed from this classic interview. As much as I love the idea of him calling a CBS reporter a simpleton, he needs to take an anger management class.
[url]http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-10/entertainment/29967926_1_ed-rendell-lesley-stahl-simpletons[/url] ([url]http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-10/entertainment/29967926_1_ed-rendell-lesley-stahl-simpletons[/url])
I read about that quote, though, and agree with him 100%. In fact, it made me laugh because he sounds like me. :P
I loved Rendell. He revived the depressing city of Philadelphia in the 90s, and then kept my home commonwealth up and running. That late 2010 quote is just the icing on the cake. :happy:
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Rendell wasn't a good governor, but he sure beats this moron we have in office now.
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Rendell wasn't a good governor, but he sure beats this moron we have in office now.
Good god I hate Tom Corbett.. even worse than Christie. :furious:
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I doubt this is Obama's plan.. it sounds like something that congress would propose
It's in the Presidents budget plan. But since its just a joke that neither party in congress will vote for you won't have to worry about any cuts.
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Congress (and the Republicans) keep demanding budget cuts, but everything that ever gets proposed to be cut results in a tremendous public backlash. There's no way to win, really.
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Congress (and the Republicans) keep demanding budget cuts, but everything that ever gets proposed to be cut results in a tremendous public backlash. There's no way to win, really.
I believe the American people are demanding that as well ;) True there is no easy solution. Someone is going to be pissed no matter what
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I guess that's where the philosophy of democracy should kick in. What cuts would benefit rather than harm the majority of us while at the same time reducing the deficit.
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A petition was made yesterday on whitehouse.gov to remove NWS from the budget cuts. 25,000 signatures are needed by March 16th. If you want your opinion heard, then sign this and get everyone else you know to sign it as well. The White House takes these things seriously, so the faster we get the signatures, the better.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/prevent-budget-cuts-national-weather-service/nQVPd4l2 (https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/prevent-budget-cuts-national-weather-service/nQVPd4l2)
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LOL they could've just produced more money to offset the debt. I realize inflation will result, but so what? Inflation is already rising, regardless of the amount of money being produced so they might as well consider it.
Speak for yourself. I'm not interested in paying $5 for a gallon of milk...unless it comes with a raise at work. :)
Here's another article, explaining that the cuts proposed are indeed Obama's.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46430601 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/46430601)
John Stossel had an interesting show this week (as he usually does), in which he came to the conclusion (based on what's happening in Greece and what people on the street say about our debt) that we aren't ready to accept cuts. At least not the kind that affect us personally.
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LOL they could've just produced more money to offset the debt. I realize inflation will result, but so what? Inflation is already rising, regardless of the amount of money being produced so they might as well consider it.
Speak for yourself. I'm not interested in paying $5 for a gallon of milk...unless it comes with a raise at work. :)
But aren't salaries increasing anyways? In NJ, the minimum wage rose from $6.15 in 2006 to $7.25 now , and if the current bill goes through, the minimum wage will raise an extra $1.25 to $8.50.
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But aren't salaries increasing anyways? In NJ, the minimum wage rose from $6.15 in 2006 to $7.25 now , and if the current bill goes through, the minimum wage will raise an extra $1.25 to $8.50.
LOL, he cut our education several years back, and now he wants to make NJ have one of the highest minimum wages in the country? :rofl:
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But aren't salaries increasing anyways? In NJ, the minimum wage rose from $6.15 in 2006 to $7.25 now , and if the current bill goes through, the minimum wage will raise an extra $1.25 to $8.50.
LOL, he cut our education several years back, and now he wants to make NJ have one of the highest minimum wages in the country? :rofl:
Not really. Oregon's is $8.80 and Washington's $9.04. Higher salaries would need to be set to offset inflation but I think this isn't pertinent to the topic..
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I doubt this is Obama's plan.. it sounds like something that congress would propose
I would think so because I recall not very long ago late last year (probably after Irene) he said he wanted the NWS budget and federal aid for natural disasters to be expanded.
He was lying when he said that.
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Please tell me that "lie" wasn't a surprise to you. He's a politician, for god's sake. The only thing they're good at is saying one thing and then making a complete 180 and saying the other. Obama has a ton examples of this, Mitt Romney has a ton more.
Obama needs, as Tavores said, to consider what cuts would benefit the country rather than harm it. NWS is a very tiny dent in the amount of money the government spends, compared to other programs. Speaking of which, SS is already going to break our back within the next 20 years, so why don't we get rid of that? Let's get rid of welfare while we're at it. I, for one, do not like the idea of my money going to someone sucking in paychecks from the government while doing little or no work! Of course, so many more Americans think they are entitled to everything that it isn't gonna happen. <_<
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But aren't salaries increasing anyways? In NJ, the minimum wage rose from $6.15 in 2006 to $7.25 now , and if the current bill goes through, the minimum wage will raise an extra $1.25 to $8.50.
Not if that's your only proof. Minimum wage is something that's forced upon companies by the government.
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As many here know, I'm a believer in small government.
That being said, I think the main purpose of government is to keep people safe, and the NWS does exactly that.
Now, I'm not saying that I totally disagree with the President here. Like every other government agency, I'm sure there is quite a bit of wasteful spending and some corruption within the NWS.
I remember a few years ago when talk of privatization came up and nearly everybody cried foul. As long as it's done right, private management of the NWS is not a bad idea. It would have to be government subsidized so potentially lifesaving weather information will remain free to the general public.
Bring in company A to manage the NWS. If they do a bad job, fire them and bring in company B to see if they can run it more efficiently. If not, bring on company C.
REMEMBER: GOVERNMENT IS A MONOPOLY.
They have no competition, and as a result, there really isn't any incentive to do a good job.
I know there are many dedicated government employees, but we've all encountered some who obviously don't give a crap.
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President Obama: Under Republicans, our weather forecasts would be less accurate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_k_fnVCVSY#)
:facepalm:
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It just amazes me what this guy will say to get what he wants. He doesn't seem the least bit phased about lying or contradicting himself. Even when he does so in the same speech! Obama is clearly using fear here to get Congress to spend more instead of less. And most people will eat it up because, hey, who doesn't want to know that a hurricane is headed there way!? Yet when Republicans do the same, he cries foul. That being said, doesn't NASA (the program HE cut) launch satellites?
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It just amazes me what this guy will say to get what he wants. He doesn't seem the least bit phased about lying or contradicting himself. Even when he does so in the same speech!
No, that's Willard Romney.
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This might be off-key but you people should see this is all by design, an effort to control society going on in slow motion. it is INCREMENTALISM, the primary tactic the elite are using to install the new world order. The budget cuts and other moves are small, but many of them over a long period of time will eventually cause the whole thing to come crashing down. Politicians are the mouthpieces for the CFR and the Trilateral commission who in turn answer to Bilderberg (the head of the global power structure). Obama is a mouthpiece and he is doing what he was told before he secured the nomintation. Its all a rigged game.
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As many here know, I'm a believer in small government.
That being said, I think the main purpose of government is to keep people safe, and the NWS does exactly that.
Now, I'm not saying that I totally disagree with the President here. Like every other government agency, I'm sure there is quite a bit of wasteful spending and some corruption within the NWS.
I remember a few years ago when talk of privatization came up and nearly everybody cried foul. As long as it's done right, private management of the NWS is not a bad idea. It would have to be government subsidized so potentially lifesaving weather information will remain free to the general public.
Bring in company A to manage the NWS. If they do a bad job, fire them and bring in company B to see if they can run it more efficiently. If not, bring on company C.
REMEMBER: GOVERNMENT IS A MONOPOLY.
They have no competition, and as a result, there really isn't any incentive to do a good job.
I know there are many dedicated government employees, but we've all encountered some who obviously don't give a crap.
Where are you getting the idea that NWS doesn't go a good job with its duties? They have one of the strongest satisfaction ratings among government agencies, so obviously SOME people think they're doing a fine job.
This might be off-key but you people should see this is all by design, an effort to control society going on in slow motion. it is INCREMENTALISM, the primary tactic the elite are using to install the new world order. The budget cuts and other moves are small, but many of them over a long period of time will eventually cause the whole thing to come crashing down. Politicians are the mouthpieces for the CFR and the Trilateral commission who in turn answer to Bilderberg (the head of the global power structure). Obama is a mouthpiece and he is doing what he was told before he secured the nomintation. Its all a rigged game.
You got it half right. There is no "elite class" trying to establish a NWO to puppeteer Congress. It's money controlling their mouths. Politicians will do whatever the person with the most money wants. It's called lobbyists. It's been going on in Washington for decades.
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BUMP and Double Post - does this constitute an automatic ban? :P
An update on the story - looks like Congress finally agreed on something. Great news for NWS.
House Approves Funding of NWS
http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2012/06/panel-approves-funds-avoid-weather-service-furloughs/56499/?oref=river (http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2012/06/panel-approves-funds-avoid-weather-service-furloughs/56499/?oref=river)
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BUMP and Double Post - does this constitute an automatic ban? :P
An update on the story - looks like Congress finally agreed on something. Great news for NWS.
House Approves Funding of NWS
[url]http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2012/06/panel-approves-funds-avoid-weather-service-furloughs/56499/?oref=river[/url] ([url]http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2012/06/panel-approves-funds-avoid-weather-service-furloughs/56499/?oref=river[/url])
Ban! :P
It is amazing that an organization as huge and as important as the NWS runs on a budget of 2 million a day. Thats pennies compared to most government run programs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress-to-allow-national-weather-service-to-reconfigure-budget/2012/06/20/gJQAG8jVrV_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress-to-allow-national-weather-service-to-reconfigure-budget/2012/06/20/gJQAG8jVrV_story.html)
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BUMP.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/help-wanted-national-weather-service-seeks-financial-chief-to-institute-employee-reductions/2012/11/16/89280c82-3029-11e2-9f50-0308e1e75445_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/help-wanted-national-weather-service-seeks-financial-chief-to-institute-employee-reductions/2012/11/16/89280c82-3029-11e2-9f50-0308e1e75445_blog.html)
This is stunning news. The NWS is looking for a CFO - to trim down the workforce. This comes only a few weeks after Sandy rolled through the Northeast. This is NOAA's proposal, by the way - as far as I can tell, neither Congress or Obama had anything to do with this.
I've already ranted enough about this topic but I thought I'd pass this along.
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There are a lot of employees at the NWS who are only a couple of years away from retirement. I am sure early retirement will be offered just like other companies have done. They're gonna go younger.