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Martial Law Bill Signed
« on: January 03, 2012, 09:08:37 PM »
Obama the tyrant. :hammer:

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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 10:11:45 PM »
It would help if we knew what a Martial Law was and why it's significant...

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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 10:25:09 PM »
From Wikipeida:

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Martial law is the imposition of military rule by military authorities over designated regions on an emergency basis—(usually) only temporary—when the civilian government or civilian authorities fail to function effectively (e.g., maintain order and security, and provide essential services), when there are extensive riots and protests, or when the disobedience of the law becomes widespread.

Here are a few points that need to keep in mind:

1) Only a fraction of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 bill contains this, so the whole bill doesn't revolve around martial law.

2) Obama's not exactly thrilled about signing that bill for that exact part.

3) Expect that part of the law to be challenged and taken to the Supreme Court, as there are several arguments that this is a violation of the 4th amendment:

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

For those curious, this is the section Bryan is referring to, and the various other parts of the bill regarding increased power within the Executive Branch and the affect on U.S. citizens. I will speak no further on this matter.

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(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposition of a
person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may
include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until
the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for
Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States
Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009
(title XVIII of Public Law 111–84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent
tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country
of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is intended to limit
or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the
Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of
United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States,
or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United
States.
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 03:25:31 PM »
Jeez that sucks

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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 01:03:59 PM »
Would  be nice if he believed in gay marriage...

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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 03:17:02 PM »
Would  be nice if he believed in gay marriage...
Why? And what does that have to do with this bill? :thinking:
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 01:40:54 AM »
Would  be nice if he believed in gay marriage...
Wasn't that one of his campaign promises?

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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2012, 03:56:34 PM »
Would  be nice if he believed in gay marriage...
Wasn't that one of his campaign promises?
I don't believe so...if anything I think he said he would consider supporting civil unions. 
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2012, 04:09:07 PM »
Would  be nice if he believed in gay marriage...
Wasn't that one of his campaign promises?
I don't believe so...if anything I think he said he would consider supporting civil unions.
I got the impression same-sex merriage is a state issue. But anyway, what does this have to do with martial law?
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2012, 12:25:21 AM »
Would  be nice if he believed in gay marriage...
Wasn't that one of his campaign promises?
I don't believe so...if anything I think he said he would consider supporting civil unions.
I got the impression same-sex merriage is a state issue. But anyway, what does this have to do with martial law?
Quite frankly I don't see how civil rights should be a state issue.  But that aside idk how we got off topic either lol.   :dunno:
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 01:29:18 AM »
And aren't there more pressing issues than creating a "right" for less than 10% of the population? :wacko:
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 02:10:00 AM »
Would  be nice if he believed in gay marriage...
Wasn't that one of his campaign promises?
I don't believe so...if anything I think he said he would consider supporting civil unions.
I got the impression same-sex merriage is a state issue. But anyway, what does this have to do with martial law?
Saying marriage is a state issue is like saying we should go back to having each state have their own currency.

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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 10:21:41 AM »
Saying marriage is a state issue is like saying we should go back to having each state have their own currency.
You're absolutely right. I've always been somewhat okay with other states giving the green light (as long as I don't live in one). But when you really think about it, it's really a bad idea for individual states to change the rules of marriage.
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 02:19:10 AM »
And aren't there more pressing issues than creating a "right" for less than 10% of the population? :wacko:
I'm sure people said the same thing in the 1950s and 1960s, seeing as only 13% of the American population is black.

Also seeing as ten's of thousands of Americans don't have a basic right to get on their partners health insurance or visit them while their in the hospital or even claim them on their taxes solely based on some people's bias or religious views, I'd think that the issue would be toward the top of other issues.  One issue most of this country seems to be all gun-ho about is voter rights for the supposed "voter fraud" problem we have, when in fact in most states there is next to no voter fruad.  Just a waste of money and time creating pointless regulations.

I also agree with Tyler.  There are many issues that should be left up to individual states, but marriage is not one of them.   

But, I digress
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Re: Martial Law Bill Signed
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 10:47:54 AM »
And aren't there more pressing issues than creating a "right" for less than 10% of the population? :wacko:
I'm sure people said the same thing in the 1950s and 1960s, seeing as only 13% of the American population is black.
There's three big problems with that. One, being black doesn't hurt anyone, but engaging in homosexual activity does. Two, being black is not a choice, but engaging in homosexual activity is. There are plenty of former homosexuals, but no former blacks. Well, unless you count Michael Jackson. ;) And three, blacks were denied many of their fundamental rights. Currently, homosexuals are not being denied any rights. They have the same rights as the rest of us. What they're asking for are what I like to call "super rights." Rights that only apply to them. Atheists also want super rights. Actually, I think they already have them. There are lots of cases where an atheist got his/her wish of having a religious symbol taken down because it "offended" them, but no cases (that I know of) where a Christian won a case to have a religious symbol put up somewhere because they were "offended" that it wasn't there. :)

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Also seeing as ten's of thousands of Americans don't have a basic right to get on their partners health insurance or visit them while their in the hospital or even claim them on their taxes solely based on some people's bias or religious views, I'd think that the issue would be toward the top of other issues.  One issue most of this country seems to be all gun-ho about is voter rights for the supposed "voter fraud" problem we have, when in fact in most states there is next to no voter fruad.  Just a waste of money and time creating pointless regulations.
One problem with that. Whether you go by God's laws or nature's, there is no universal "right" to health care. To the best of my knowledge, health care is mentioned no where in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Just because a group of people desire to have something, doesn't make it a "right." If the government said yes to every desire of its citizens it would go broke and society would implode.

Voter fraud is a real problem. It affects both parties (though Democrats seem to be much better at it) and has been going on for decades. There are numerous documented cases where hundreds of votes were made by convicts and/or dead people. Whether you choose to look at the evidence or be ignorant is up to you.
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