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Present - The Weather Channel 2000 => Everything Else TWC => Topic started by: lfmusiclover on November 19, 2008, 06:41:25 PM
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According to the following article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution TWC has laid off some of its employees. The article says it is not known how many or who was laid off.
http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2008/11/19/weather_channel_layoffs.html (http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2008/11/19/weather_channel_layoffs.html)
I didn't see this coming! :blink:
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I didn't see this coming... so soon, but it isn't surprising. When networks merge or reorganize, there are almost always layoffs. Some positions only need so many people in them - and if NBC is adding it's meteorologists to TWC's current staffing (which we can assume based on the meteorologist titles on Weather Plus being renamed to "TWC Meteorologist"), TWC just doesn't need as many.
Hopefully, we'll find out what positions were effected by the layoffs soon.
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This economic downturn is apparently serious enough that TWC is being affected too. That's not good. Several long time businesses in my area have gone 'out of business' recently so I guess it's not too surprising.
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...Hopefully, we'll find out what positions were effected by the layoffs soon.
Yeah I hope so. I'll certainly be looking out for any information that comes out. :yes:
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Oh Oh TWC let me choose the people you need to get rid of!
There you go. Simply run some old Storm Stories episodes in its place! I guess they can lay off some of their production crew too since most of the studio is automated.
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Oh Oh TWC let me choose the people you need to get rid of!
There you go. Simply run some old Storm Stories episodes in its place! I guess they can lay off some of their production crew too since most of the studio is automated.
LOL, yeah good riddance! :rofl2: :P
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Wow, this is such a shame to see this happen, but I'm not surprised, especially considering that when I checked the TWC job openings page a few weeks ago, there were almost no positions hiring, which just goes to show how bad the economy is going.
It's a shame for all those people who lost their jobs. :(
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Definitely didn't see this coming, but like others, it's not surprising.
It'll be interesting to see who goes, if any on-air staff.
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I hope none of the OCM's got laid off. The scheduling commitee is another name to add to Martin's list.
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I hope none of the current OCM staff got laid off either. If certain people aren't seemingly coming back, you'd have to wonder :thinking:
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I just read on the easternuswx forums that Cheryl Lemke, Dave Schwartz, and Dennis Smith have all been let go. :cry:
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I just read on the easternuswx forums that Cheryl Lemke, Dave Schwartz, and Dennis Smith have all been let go. :cry:
Damn TWC (if that is true) Dave and Dennis were the best OCM i ever seen :angry: :censored: :furious:
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I just read on the easternuswx forums that Cheryl Lemke, Dave Schwartz, and Dennis Smith have all been let go. :cry:
Terminate OCMs where there seemingly is an OCM shortage = no sense.
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Where was this information obtained? I don't believe ANYTHING I read on forums unless its from a person I know is trustworthy, or a source I know is trustworthy.
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From what I'm hearing the radio side was hit pretty hard as well. :yes:
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I just read on the easternuswx forums that Cheryl Lemke, Dave Schwartz, and Dennis Smith have all been let go. :cry:
Hmm, if Dave has indeed been laid off, he's certainly doing a good job at showing up for work today.
I can't see them laing of any OCMs. They are already shorthanded enough as is, and I can't really see them getting rid of any more OCMs.
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Another thought: if the WxPlus meteorologists were indeed merged into TWC, sack them. They suck (and that's not an understatement).
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I'm with ya Matt. :D
Billy, is it possible that the layoffs haven't taken effect yet? Maybe their last day is tomorrow? :thinking:
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I just read on the easternuswx forums that Cheryl Lemke, Dave Schwartz, and Dennis Smith have all been let go. :cry:
Hmm, if Dave has indeed been laid off, he's certainly doing a good job at showing up for work today.
I can't see them laing of any OCMs. They are already shorthanded enough as is, and I can't really see them getting rid of any more OCMs.
Yeah... I really hope it's not true. Dave's one of the best around there.
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I'm with ya Matt. :D
Billy, is it possible that the layoffs haven't taken effect yet? Maybe their last day is tomorrow? :thinking:
If we don't see Cheryl on Weekend Outlook on Saturday or Sunday, we'll know it's true... also if they've been laid off, you'd think their demeanor would be affected a little bit, e.g. they aren't their usual chipper selves on air, etc...
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Brian Picard and Chris Hoitsma are gonna get laid off too?
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Brian Picard and Chris Hoitsma are gonna get laid off too?
Where was anything mentioned about them? :huh:
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I knew someone was going to say that. I'm saying that I hope they don't get laid off. Because TWC as well as every other employer, is laying off large amounts of staff. I don't want either of them to get laid off, TWC can lay off any body they want.
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I just read on the easternuswx forums that Cheryl Lemke, Dave Schwartz, and Dennis Smith have all been let go. :cry:
Though, I saw Dave this morning
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I've heard from a reliable source that nearly all departments within TWC were hit. The OCM department was hit to the tune of 4 positions, however names can't be released until Monday (so I assume their last day is Friday). :(
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I've heard from a reliable source that nearly all departments within TWC were hit. The OCM department was hit to the tune of 4 positions, however names can't be released until Monday (so I assume their last day is Friday). :(
I heard the same thing from a reliable source of my own. Sad indeed. :(
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I've heard from a reliable source that nearly all departments within TWC were hit. The OCM department was hit to the tune of 4 positions, however names can't be released until Monday (so I assume their last day is Friday). :(
I'm thinking they might be some fill-ins like Ryan Goswick or Warren Madden
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I've heard from a reliable source that nearly all departments within TWC were hit. The OCM department was hit to the tune of 4 positions, however names can't be released until Monday (so I assume their last day is Friday). :(
I'm thinking they might be some fill-ins like Ryan Goswick or Warren Madden
The word from my source was Dave Schwartz, Dennis Smith and Cheryl Lemke.
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I've heard from a reliable source that nearly all departments within TWC were hit. The OCM department was hit to the tune of 4 positions, however names can't be released until Monday (so I assume their last day is Friday). :(
I'm thinking they might be some fill-ins like Ryan Goswick or Warren Madden
The word from my source was Dave Schwartz, Dennis Smith and Cheryl Lemke.
Exactly, What is your source?
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I've heard from a reliable source that nearly all departments within TWC were hit. The OCM department was hit to the tune of 4 positions, however names can't be released until Monday (so I assume their last day is Friday). :(
I'm thinking they might be some fill-ins like Ryan Goswick or Warren Madden
The word from my source was Dave Schwartz, Dennis Smith and Cheryl Lemke.
Exactly, What is your source?
A gentleman who used to be employed by The Weather Channel and still has inside contacts there, including the OCM's and upper management.
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My source contradicts what you heard, Gary. In fact, my first guess was Cheryl, and he said that she was not included. I did ask about Dave and he "wouldn't comment," leading me to believe Dave is no more. Didn't even ask about Dennis...
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Well, I guess all we can hope for is that these layoffs are just temporary, and things turn around soon so everyone effected can get their jobs back.
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Well, I guess all we can hope for is that these layoffs are just temporary, and things turn around soon so everyone effected can get their jobs back.
That's not usually how layoffs work... usually, once you're laid off, you don't get rehired afterwards, and if you do, it's for lower pay.
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My source contradicts what you heard, Gary. In fact, my first guess was Cheryl, and he said that she was not included. I did ask about Dave and he "wouldn't comment," leading me to believe Dave is no more. Didn't even ask about Dennis...
I guess we'll have to see what happens. :D
My source just told me that he got wind that Melissa Tuttle also got axed.
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Who is Melissa Tuttle?
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She is an OCM, though more recently she's been mostly behind the scenes.
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Wow, this is really sad for all those affected, and I really feel bad about Dave being let go; what a damn shame.
I have a feeling that Mark and/or Kristina might be among the four, especially Mark given his tenure.
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TWC is going to go downhill significantly without Dave. He and Dennis were the only legends of TWC left. I'll probably watch it far less now. :(
Yeah, Melissa Tuttle was an apprentice OCM from 2000-2002, then she became a Weatherscan product developer IIRC.
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Yeah, Melissa Tuttle was an apprentice OCM from 2000-2002, then she became a Weatherscan product developer IIRC.
Correct.
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Hmm.. I was just thinking... now that Dave is likely going to be laid off from TWC and that he is from Philly, I wonder if he'll make his way here?
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Hmm.. I was just thinking... now that Dave is likely going to be laid off from TWC and that he is from Philly, I wonder if he'll make his way here?
That's an interesting thought. He does have his roots here.
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Just learned from my source that about 80 people were let go total. This, he says, includes just about all of the marketing department. This information is coming from ACTUAL TWC EMPLOYEES. None of it is heresay.
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This is very shocking. I heard 4 OCM's got laid off. It's terrible. Also I'm concerned about my dad, I hope he's not laid off from work
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Just learned from my source that about 80 people were let go total. This, he says, includes just about all of the marketing department. This information is coming from ACTUAL TWC EMPLOYEES. None of it is heresay.
That would make sense. With NBC's strong marketing department and tactics, TWC's marketing department would be one of the easiest to cut. After all, marketing doesn't have to be done within TWC - it could easily be done at NBC HQ in New York.
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Just learned from my source that about 80 people were let go total. This, he says, includes just about all of the marketing department. This information is coming from ACTUAL TWC EMPLOYEES. None of it is heresay.
That would make sense. With NBC's strong marketing department and tactics, TWC's marketing department would be one of the easiest to cut. After all, marketing doesn't have to be done within TWC - it could easily be done at NBC HQ in New York.
That's true. I never thought about that. :thinking:
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Gosh this is awful :no: Makes me sick seeing Forecast Earth and all the people TWC pays for that garbage. Long time OCMs like Dave get tossed out to the trash. What little that was left of TWC to enjoy seems to be fading fast!
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Just learned from my source that about 80 people were let go total. This, he says, includes just about all of the marketing department. This information is coming from ACTUAL TWC EMPLOYEES. None of it is heresay.
That would make sense. With NBC's strong marketing department and tactics, TWC's marketing department would be one of the easiest to cut. After all, marketing doesn't have to be done within TWC - it could easily be done at NBC HQ in New York.
That's true. I never thought about that. :thinking:
That's what I'm here for. :biggrin:
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Just learned from my source that about 80 people were let go total. This, he says, includes just about all of the marketing department. This information is coming from ACTUAL TWC EMPLOYEES. None of it is heresay.
That would make sense. With NBC's strong marketing department and tactics, TWC's marketing department would be one of the easiest to cut. After all, marketing doesn't have to be done within TWC - it could easily be done at NBC HQ in New York.
That's true. I never thought about that. :thinking:
That's what I'm here for. :biggrin:
I'd be lost without ya! :P :biggrin:
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I found an article from USA Today and it says that Dave Schwartz, Cheryl Lemke and Eboni Deon are the 3 OCM's that have been layed off.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2008/11/weather-channel.html (http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2008/11/weather-channel.html)
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Well, they got one right. (Yes, I went there.)
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I hate seeing Dave and Cheryl go, but I can do without Eboni. :yes:
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I hate seeing Dave and Cheryl go, but I can do without Eboni. :yes:
My thoughts exactly :biggrin:
This is definitely a shame. Then again, since it is a new company, it doesn't surprise me. Best of luck to the 3 being layed off, and hopefully they can find a new job that they enjoy :yes:
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Wow, this is sad seeing Dave and Eboni here on the air together, both ready to go down together, seemingly after this very broadcast.
Dave's even joking around, too; nice to see him able to maintain a happy demeanor under such tough circumstances.
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More late breaking details from my source. the Road Crew is history. He confirmed that the environmental department has in fact been axed, although he couldn't confirm Hedi Cullen's status. He tells me that TWC Radio took a MAJOR hit. He has also informed me that a long-time off camera meteorologist has been relieved of his duties.
This is getting more interesting by the moment!
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Schwartz is staring at me right now, so I can confirm that at least as of Friday morning, he's still there.
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I'm wondering if this might be his last day.... :thinking:
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Someone said earlier he was making jokes...that's good. Anyone recording his performance? Any funny comments? I've been a HUGE fan of his for like 15 years and I sincerely hope I'll see him on-air someplace...he is my friend and I've always looked forward to watching The Philadelphia Kid talking about stickball, doing yoga, and eating M&M's, playing TWC Jeopardy, etc over the years. Watching TWC won't be the same.
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There were no comments about leaving, but I have a feeling that they wouldn't be allowed to say anything given the circumstances. At least he got in one last "My Friend" as the show was coming to a close...
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Well I guess this is officially the end of an era. :cry:
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We all knew this was probably going to happen once NBC bought the station.... I have a feeling that if Landmark still owned the station, there wouldn't be this major of a hit on the staff...
Also, as far as I know, I'm pretty sure Jeff Meilcarz [sic?] still has his job atleast until after the Atlanta half-marathon on Thanksgiving... That's been in the plans for months and I don't think they'd just trash it like *snaps fingers* that...
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We all knew this was probably going to happen once NBC bought the station.... I have a feeling that if Landmark still owned the station, there wouldn't be this major of a hit on the staff...
Also, as far as I know, I'm pretty sure Jeff Meilcarz [sic?] still has his job atleast until after the Atlanta half-marathon on Thanksgiving... That's been in the plans for months and I don't think they'd just trash it like *snaps fingers* that...
TWC cited financial problems as the reason for the layoffs, so i fully expect they would have happened, NBC or not. Lest you've forgotten, NBC isn't running TWC. TWC is still its own entity.
As for the half-marathon..well, you never know.
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More late breaking details from my source. the Road Crew is history. He confirmed that the environmental department has in fact been axed, although he couldn't confirm Hedi Cullen's status. He tells me that TWC Radio took a MAJOR hit. He has also informed me that a long-time off camera meteorologist has been relieved of his duties.
This is getting more interesting by the moment!
Do you think these segments will return when the economy improves?
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I'm sure TWC will rebuild once things get better, but I'm sure things will have a different focus by that point.
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I think what's gone will stay gone. As Steve said, TWC will surely rebuild when times improve, and other things will certainly take the place of everything that was axed.
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And while I agree, global warming isn't going anywhere. Once the economy is stable again, I do see a Forecast Earth-esque show coming back.
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I do agree that something along those lines WILL return. At least if FE was as popular as TWC would lead you to believe it was.
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It's my understanding that Jorma Duran and Tetiana Anderson are also being axed. :yes:
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I'm going to miss Jorma, he was a good field reporter, I don't really care about Tetiana. She's just not "interesting" or special with her reports plus she only covers NYC.
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I was never particularly attached to either one, so as always I hate seeing anyone get laid off, but I won't miss them on TV, that;s for sure.
I've been laid off and know the pain of it. It's not a fun time, that's for sure. If anything, its very scary. :yes:
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Maybe this is why no replacement for Seese has been brought in... because they can't afford to hire someone. :o
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Certainly seems like a reasonable reason to me. :yes:
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If TWC lays off Cantore, then that would be the biggest mistake TWC wouldve done. Cantore is a legendary OCM for the channel. He's probably the highest paid as well
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No chance that'll ever happen. Cantore IS TWC. Without Cantore TWC might as well call it a day. :yes:
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A couple more articles for everyone's reading enjoyment:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html)
http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2008/11/weather-channel.html (http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2008/11/weather-channel.html)
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Well, it does confirm that Dave, Cheryl, and Eboni were let go. :thumbdown:
I wonder if this means an increased role for Mark Mancuso...
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I hope so. I miss seeing Mark.
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Does this affect Alexandra, Jim, and Paul by any chance?
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No. :no:
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Oh, I was about to say.
Thanks
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Why did they lay off those 3 specific OCMS?
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Why did they have to let Dave go, though?
He was my homeboy!! :yes:
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Why did they lay off those 3 specific OCMS?
That's what I want to know. <_< I will miss Dave. :cry:
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Plus Dave was absent for awhile in 2007 due to his cancer. Isn't that stressing him enough, adding the lay-of to him just worsens it. :rolleyes:
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I'd like to know the answers to those questions to. Unfortunately, TWC isn't talking much, so it'll be up to my source I think to get us that info.
Vic, I didn't think of that. The man fought his ass off against cancer only to be given walking papers. That;s not fair in my opinion.
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I read the article in the AJC regarding this earlier today and wanted to stop by here to get the latest on the situation. I am quite transvexed and perturved to know that TWC would lay off OCM positions, especially when they are shorthanded as it is (compare TWC's OCM lineup now to how it was just 2 years ago, and you'll understand what I'm talking about). I wholly agree that we will probably begin seeing more solo shifts. I think that the termination of Dave is a shame. We always have good things to say about him here on the forums and you can almost automatically assume that TWC knows that his public image interpatation is recieved quite well. Seeing Cheryl go is a shame to -- these two are TWC long-timers and to have their jobs come to such an abrupt end is very sad. However, I am VERY GLAD to know that the Road Crew and Environmental segments of TWC have been eliminated. As I discussed in my post in the environmental unit termination thread, I feel as if both global warming and Road Crew nonsense add to the excess 'fluff' involved with TWC, which in excess, makes TWC's original stance very foggy. When they started in 1982, the mission (surely) was to provide current weather information and forecasts. It seems as if that mission has evolved over the years into making weather fun, relating it to everything, and focusing on global warming, etc. The TWC executives were smart to realize this and I'm glad they did away with this nonsense and realized that this 'fluff' should be the first thing to go if any cuts ever had to be made. Personally, because of this, I like the road TWC is begenning to head down due to the elimation of stuff like "hey man, weather'll bust 'ya kneecaps" (Jeff Mielcarz). It finally seems as if TWC knows that all we want is current weather information and forecasts, just like in the old days! :D
Thanks to Gary and Tyler for keeping us so (professionally) informed. It's always nice to clear up information when it is foggy at the begenning. :worship:
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No chance that'll ever happen. Cantore IS TWC. Without Cantore TWC might as well call it a day. :yes:
Yeah, I think when TWC needs to lay off people, they would most likely start with the OCMs that are in the lowest rated shows (DP, WC, WO, WN, etc). Dave, Cheryl, and Eboni are among those people.
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I'm doing my very best to bring you guys the latest tidbits as I get them. I'm happy to know how much its appreciated. :biggrin:
Jeff Mielcarz=Good Riddance! :hammer: :rofl:
Now all TWC has to do is bring back REAL weather maps. You know, the jet stream maps, water vapor imagery. All the ones they chucked when theydecided to dumb it down. And what I wouldn't give to see isobar's again! :P
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These these two people need to lose their jobs: <_<
- Heidi Cullen
- Natalie Allen
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Now all TWC has to do is bring back REAL weather maps. You know, the jet stream maps, water vapor imagery. All the ones they chucked when theydecided to dumb it down. And what I wouldn't give to see isobar's again! :P
Ah, yes I'd love to see those again. I miss those days. :(
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These these two people need to lose their jobs: <_<
- Heidi Cullen
- Natalie Allen
They have. :biggrin:
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These these two people need to lose their jobs: <_<
- Heidi Cullen
- Natalie Allen
They have. :biggrin:
Sweet. B)
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Another article for everyone's reading pleasure:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html)
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Another article for everyone's reading pleasure:
[url]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html[/url] ([url]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html[/url])
Good thing to do that. :happy:
Just rid of Cullen and Allen. :thumbsup:
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Another article for everyone's reading pleasure:
[url]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html[/url] ([url]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html[/url])
"Capital Weather Gang"? I wonder if Adam Berg is in charge of that. :rofl2:
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Don't mind me, I need to let off some steam, but in a respectful way here...
What is NBC kidding me? They let Dave Schwartz go? Thanks a lot, NBC!
Who's next? Jim Cantore? Stephanie Abrams? Mike Bettes? Hell, why don't they get rid of Paul Goodloe, Sharon Resultan, Rich Johnson, Heather Tesch, Jeff Morrow, Mike Seidel and Jen Carfagno while they're at it? Maybe they'll give Alexandra Steele a nice Christmas present with a pink slip since she's pregnant?
How about destroy the identity of The Weather Channel as we know it? This is beyond absurdity they got rid of Dave Schwartz. I'm completely disgusted. He was one of the few nowadays that if he was on, I'd watch The Weather Channel continuously. His personality and presentation of the weather on the network made it quite pleasant and fun to watch. Jim Cantore, same thing.
But to start stripping away the very personalities The Weather Channel viewers can identify with is beyond ridiculous in description. Good friggin' luck with people tuning in if this trend takes off.
Oh and I don't care how much money each of these well-known OCMs were making. They are what helped bring in viewers. I know we're in tough economic times, but get rid of the people that had less visible and vital roles with the network.
And by the way, I'm sick of this Green Week crap. It's no surprise TWC is doing this now that NBC owns the damn channel now.
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That's a lot of steam blown :blink:
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That surely was :yes:
And, that thing you said about Alexandra Steele was just not right!!! :no:
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We've been over this before. Everyone has OCM's theydon't like. They have just as much right to express their dislike as you do your like. :yes:
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Gary, are you talking about what I said, or what he said?
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Gary, are you talking about what I said, or what he said?
You. ;)
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Gary, are you talking about what I said, or what he said?
You. ;)
Correct. You commented about Paul's comment about Alexandra Steele not being right.
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I didn't say anything, it was him!!!
He's the one who's saying everything, not me. I was just commenting!!!
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Sad. I'll miss seeing Dave and Cheryl. Good luck keeping viewers TWC. :censored: :angry: :( :no: :thumbdown: :cry:
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Didn't see that coming either.
Hasn't anybody running the big companies learned ANYTHING fom "The Great Depression"? Obviousloy not.
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I'm going to always watch TWC as long as Alexandra Steele and Jim Cantore are there. :yes:
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I think there's something wrong with me? :yes:
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These these two people need to lose their jobs: <_<
- Heidi Cullen
- Natalie Allen
I beg to differ. No one deserves to loose their Job. While Heidi wasn't my favorite, she wasn't the worst thing on TWC, IMO. Also, during Natalie's short tenure at TWC, she really grew on me. I did enjoy her FE presentations more than Heidi's.
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I have to agree with Tyler. and I've said this all along. Whilst I didn't care for the environmental thing, or Heidi Cullen in particular, I'd never wish for someone to lose their job.
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That surely was :yes:
And, that thing you said about Alexandra Steele was just not right!!! :no:
Take it easy. It was sarcasm because I'm angry with NBC making the bonehead decision to give Dave Schwartz his walking papers. I mentioned Alexandre Steele because if they really wanted to piss off viewers and top that move, they can be really insensitive by firing Steele. That's what I meant.
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As of this morning, Cheryl still has her job. I wonder how this is going to pan out.
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Eboni has now joined Cheryl for Weekend Outlook. I'm guessing the layoffs won't go into effect until Monday at the earliest.
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Going back to what Victor was saying about not understanding why it was them. I can understand Cheryl and Dave, because they have a longer tenure at TWC, and probably get paid a little more. But Eboni, I don't understand. You'd think they'd get rid of the OCM's who've been at TWC for a longer period of time.
Something similar happened to the NBC afilliate here in my market. They had problems with money (their company), and fired their chief meteorologist, who'd been there for neirly 25 years, and than a reporter/wknd anchor who had been there for just under 2. It makes no sence as to how they figure that out.
But as Gary said, we may never know why the people who lost their job, lost it, or TWC's decision to can these people. It's just unfortunate it had to happen.
To Thecoolwriter- just let it go. Some people just don't like Alexandra Steele, and you have to respect their opinion, as they respect yours about liking her :)
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Okay guys, I'm going to drop it all now.
I'm sorry about everything.
I think I have a little obsession
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Eboni has now joined Cheryl for Weekend Outlook. I'm guessing the layoffs won't go into effect until Monday at the earliest.
Kind of like how I saw Dave and Eboni on DP on Thursday
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Going back to what Victor was saying about not understanding why it was them. I can understand Cheryl and Dave, because they have a longer tenure at TWC, and probably get paid a little more. But Eboni, I don't understand. You'd think they'd get rid of the OCM's who've been at TWC for a longer period of time.
Something similar happened to the NBC afilliate here in my market. They had problems with money (their company), and fired their chief meteorologist, who'd been there for neirly 25 years, and than a reporter/wknd anchor who had been there for just under 2. It makes no sence as to how they figure that out.
But as Gary said, we may never know why the people who lost their job, lost it, or TWC's decision to can these people. It's just unfortunate it had to happen.
To Thecoolwriter- just let it go. Some people just don't like Alexandra Steele, and you have to respect their opinion, as they respect yours about liking her :)
Actually Kyle, layoffs usually work in just the opposite fashion. People with tenure are the last to go. The least-tenured people are usually cut first. Then you usually go up the ladder in order of tenure. So actually it SHOULD, then, come as a surprise to see Dave and Cheryl being axed first. Lower folks such as Betty Davis, Eboni Dion, Ray Stagich, Alex Wallace, and Sam Mohr shoulda come first.
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I hope TWC will help the OCMs find a new job. Otherwise they'd have a very unsuccessful life.
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I doubt that highly EXCEPT in Dave's case. He'd either have to go and get his degree in meteorology, or find another field of work because he's not an actual meteorologists. But the other two should have no problem finding work again.
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:offtopic:, but do you think the Local Forecasts and Weatherscan units are going to change or even be replaced with something different?
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My computer just starting working today so I just heard the bad news. I'm highly upset that they let Dave and Cheryl go, but I'm also concerned about Heather. I don't remember seeing her on YWT since Marshall left. I hope they aren't going to fire her too. If they keep this up they're gonna run this network into the ground.
(Why couldn't they fire Samantha and Betty instead?)
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I doubt that highly EXCEPT in Dave's case. He'd either have to go and get his degree in meteorology, or find another field of work because he's not an actual meteorologists. But the other two should have no problem finding work again.
Dave is, actually; TWC wouldn't label an OCM as a meteorologist if he wasn't an actually meteorologist. :no:
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I only had one more thing to add to my last statement, if the staff including the OCMs are making a lot of money, couldn't they have cut their pay a little? I just don't think it's fair that 80 employees should lose their jobs like this during the worst time of the year when the holidays are literally around the corner and they have to scramble to find another job.
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I doubt that highly EXCEPT in Dave's case. He'd either have to go and get his degree in meteorology, or find another field of work because he's not an actual meteorologists. But the other two should have no problem finding work again.
Dave is, actually; TWC wouldn't label an OCM as a meteorologist if he wasn't an actually meteorologist. :no:
He's not, actually. He only completed TWC's apprentice program. He has no degree. :no:
I guess completing the apprentice program is enough to qualify him as a met in TWC's eyes.
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Hahahahaha. Matt (Marron) is such an ass. He just made a huge fool of himself. In his big-headedness he thinks I'm telling people that this is all factual. He doesn't realize that I'm talking to a man who is a former TWC employee and is still ocnnected with many people there, including upper management.
I hope people get tired of his shit and leave. <_<
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I'm telling him the truth and he's not buying it.
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Great! The more foolish he looks, the better for me. I hope he makes himself look like an asshole in the eyes of every member and guest that browses that forum today.
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Ha, he's STILL trying to discredit TWCT. :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:
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Anyway, to get us back on track, Dave does have a certificate in Broadcast Meteorology, much like Kristin Dodd.
And he's on Weather Center right now.
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Anyway, to get us back on track, Dave does have a certificate in Broadcast Meteorology, much like Kristin Dodd.
And he's on Weather Center right now.
And that's not a degree. :thumbsup:
Hmm...I wonder when these doggone layoffs take affect? :thinking:
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Hmm, apparently I never got around to talking about the certificate more due to being distracted by Dave being on the air, but yeah, a Certificate is pretty darn insignificant in a world where so many people have degrees, even though I'm sure Dave is plenty more qualified than some of those people.
And damn, Dave is being funnier than he's been in a long time. :wacko:
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Hmm, apparently I never got around to talking about the certificate more due to being distracted by Dave being on the air, but yeah, a Certificate is pretty darn insignificant in a world where so many people have degrees, even though I'm sure Dave is plenty more qualified than some of those people.
And damn, Dave is being funnier than he's been in a long time. :wacko:
Exactly. With so many mets having degrees, a Certificate is not much weight.
Well..at least if today's his last day he'll go out with a bang! :rofl:
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"How about that, sportsfans?"
:P
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I'm gonna record this segment. This might be the last time we see Dave
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Make sure you post it here, if you can. :thumbsup:
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Make sure you post it here, if you can. :thumbsup:
Yep! I will record 2 videos. I;ll contribute one here.
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Remember - Dave will be back at 8 PM ET for the first hour of Evening Edition, which could be his last hour on TWC; you never know.
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I've been thinking...if it is his last hour,i wonder if he'll say anything special when he signs off? :thinking:
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A couple more classic posts at TWCC, both by Lightning. First he calls the layoffs "firings". Their layoffs, doofus. There's a huge difference. :nono:
Then he wants to know if TWC can leave NBC, and hopes there are lawsuits. LOL. The layoffs would've happened with or without NBC's involvement. Another one of those things I just can't say enough.
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Dave Schwartz made the weather fun. TWC's loose studio humor over the years are one of the things I think viewers turned on to and kept them watching. Hope that doesn't get the axe too. Probably not but you never know.
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Here's a clip I uploaded with a local forecast and Dave at 2:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHp43LxgUpg
I have another clip to contribute too for TWCT, the one I am contributing will be a better clip because it showed some humor and funny movements Dave did while presenting the weather for the Northeast :P He also mis pronounced several cities lol.
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Hmm...I've reviewed some stuff that I recorded, and about an hour or so ago Dave made a remark about taking a few days off. What do you think this means?
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I'm highly offended at your "rumor machine" comment. I go through the hard work of connecting with an insider at TWC, and you think I'm dealing with rumors? I beg your pardon. You must be confused. This is not TWC Classics.
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Things apparently haven't even started yet...big honking Forecast Earth "drought monitor" segment now.
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When does Eboni usually come on TWC?
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I usually see her on weekday mornings. I don't think she's a regular in any time slot. I think she's more of a fill-in. :yes:
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MAJOR UPDATE: I've just spoken to my source who tells me that he spoke with Mike Seidel who told him that those who were laid off will remain until November 30.
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Does this mean we're gonna lose the Dr. Anna Marie and Danny Lipford segments also? I thought they were kind of useful...
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MAJOR UPDATE: I've just spoken to my source who tells me that he spoke with Mike Seidel who told him that those who were laid off will remain until November 30.
Interesting. I'm guessing TWC is doing this to get past the Thanksgiving holiday. Either that, or some of their contracts end that day, allowing for some of them to be considered "not renewed" instead of "laid off".
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I think thats the same day NBC suppose to end Weather Plus.
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I think thats the same day NBC suppose to end Weather Plus.
You are indeed correct. :yes:
The ending date, I hear, for WX+ is 11/30/08. :happy:
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The loss of Dave is really crappy, I like d him, he's been there a long time you'd think they'd keep him, Dennis Smith has been there since the start, I'd hate to see him go as well.
Honestly I hate these corporate boneheads who make these decisions, :censored: so does anyone think TWC will ask for a government bailout? :bleh:
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Well, off will go an autographed picture request for Dave.
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Does this mean we're gonna lose the Dr. Anna Marie and Danny Lipford segments also? I thought they were kind of useful...
I actually haven't heard anything about Lipford or Dr. Anna-Marie (or P. Allen Smith either for that matter). But I would guess that since their seemingly doing away with their fluff stuff that those guys might be getting canned as well. :yes:
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Then again, people like P. Allen Smith probably freelance for TWC, and therefore aren't employed by the company itself. That's probably why we haven't heard much about their termination.
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Probably. But they would still have to formally sever ties with those people.
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Are they gonna lay off more OCMs after this?
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I guess that depends on the economy. If it continues to worsen, then I'd say that that's a very real possibility. :yes:
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Here's another article for you guys. I found this one interesting, since its written by one of our local mets here, WMAR-TV's Justin Berk. The last paragraph is the one of interest in regards to the issue of this topic.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1586-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner~y2008m11d23-Winter-has-started-latest-snow-maps-and-The-Weather-Channel-fires-environmental-unit (http://www.examiner.com/x-1586-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner~y2008m11d23-Winter-has-started-latest-snow-maps-and-The-Weather-Channel-fires-environmental-unit)
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Very intresting. The statement about 'revoking AMS certification from all mets who don't believe in global warming' that Dr. Cullen made about two years ago could've very well dug her own grave; or atleast that is how I feel after reading that article.
Thanks for finding all of these interesting tidbits of info, Gary. Very interesting, indeed. B)
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Your quite welcome Jae. Glad to hear you and everyone else is finding them enjoyable. Just doing what I can to keep this topic going, on track, and enjoyable :biggrin:
Speaking of on track...is it me or has the layoff discussion at TWCC veered WAY off track? All I see there now is lawsuit talk and conspiracy theories. :whistling2:
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A couple more classic posts at TWCC, both by Lightning. First he calls the layoffs "firings". Their layoffs, doofus. There's a huge difference. :nono:
They are not sending people home until things turn around like a manufacturing company does. According to the article they are "staffing cuts" and the NBC statement refers to losing "valued employees". That sounds like a permanent thing as they are cutting positions and the people that currently fill them.
I guess that depends on the economy. If it continues to worsen, then I'd say that that's a very real possibility. :yes:
It's not about the economy, the first sentence of the NBC release is just a smoke screen, it's a part of the continuing takeover of TWC by NBC Universal. The second sentence in the release talks about "cost synergies as a part of a company reorganization". This is the real reason for these staffing cuts. To put it in everyday english they were saying that "now that we have control, we are going to cut costs and make TWC return a good profit to the parent company."
the following quote is from http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html)
"The economic realities of recent months have created challenges for everyone in our business. In addition, when NBC Universal purchased the Weather Channel earlier this year, we expected that there would be cost synergies as part of a company reorganization. While it is always difficult to lose valued employees, we are doing our best to minimize the impact, and remain committed to providing the highest quality content that our viewers have come to expect from the Weather Channel."
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There's something wrong with making money?
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Dave Schwartz is getting laid off?!? :cry3:
There go my two favorite OCM's in the same month. Is there anyone as entertaining on the staff nowadays? Maybe Adam and Kristin and Rich and Sharon will do.
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Is there anyone as entertaining on the staff nowadays? Maybe Adam and Kristin and Rich and Sharon will do.
And Carl Parker with his AMAZING FACTS.
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There were no comments about leaving, but I have a feeling that they wouldn't be allowed to say anything given the circumstances. At least he got in one last "My Friend" as the show was coming to a close...
Steve will you record Dave's Farewell on November 30th? i'm really going to miss him and Dennis :cry:
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We can't even guarantee that he'll get an on-air spot that day; someone would have to take off for that to happen.
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We can't even guarantee that he'll get an on-air spot that day; someone would have to take off for that to happen.
I'll take off. ;) :P
I should be able to capture the opening of WWC, too. :thumbsup:
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Here's another article on the matter. This ones from the Hollywood Reporter. This is the first article (that I've seen) which specifically states that TWC will replace FE with other environmental programming. :thinking:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5597c1b57fb49205377f416f17c19742 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5597c1b57fb49205377f416f17c19742)
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Just another small article to add to the conversation:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/28/tuning-in-30160492/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/28/tuning-in-30160492/)
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According to the article, it looks like General Electric is the blame for this.
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If you want the steaming pile of bullshit version of the story...I present Rush Limbaugh's commentary on the situation. (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_112408/content/01125104.guest.html)
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Rush Limbaugh's an ass. Need I say more? :rofl:
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LOL, I find it funny, Steve, that you had to enlighten the folks at TWCC as to what's going on with the layoffs. :rofl2:
You should've kept 'em in the dark. :P
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At least I tried to be as vague as possible about it. I'm just throwing it out there to keep them from getting their hopes up; they don't deserve that.
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At least I tried to be as vague as possible about it. I'm just throwing it out there to keep them from getting their hopes up; they don't deserve that.
You know, the info is pretty widely available now. If they don't know, then they DO deserve that. Matt was so adamant about getting back into current TWC-enough so to royally screw me in the process of doing so. So I say what goes around comes around. And if he's gonna do something, he ought to do it right, or not at all.
Further, I'm also a bit perplexed as to why you withheld on where the word came from.
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Further, I'm also a bit perplexed as to why you withheld on where the word came from.
I figured you would be upset if I posted it definitively rather than as rumor, so I chose to post it as rumor. That's all.
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Further, I'm also a bit perplexed as to why you withheld on where the word came from.
I figured you would be upset if I posted it definitively rather than as rumor, so I chose to post it as rumor. That's all.
Ahhh, gotcha. :thumbsup:
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If this is indeed the last day, Cheryl got time on Weekend Outlook with Mark, and Jorma is at O'Hare Int'l for return travel today.
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Geeze, now it's Eboni Deon again on Weekend Now; they just won't give Dave a break, I swear.
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i seriously dont get this whole lay off thing, especially since the personalities of the said OCM's seem unaffected. i thought the rule of thumb to this whole aquisition thing was that TWC would be a seperate entity and they would basically run themselves. other than the random "green week" NBC's affiliation towards TWC seems minimal.
my 2 cents.
btw, dave seems to be almost everyone's favorite ocm, why would people dismiss him, hes good for raitings, my friend.
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Speaking of the radio division, TWC had been the provider for WGN Radio in Chicago, but while I was traveling today, I heard Jim Ramsey from WGN-TV giving the forecast instead. I'm assuming TWC has pulled out of WGN Radio...
...so is the whole TWC Radio division pretty much gone?
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I can confirm Chris Hoitsma is no longer at The Weather Channel. I sent an email to him asking about the December playlist, and got this auto-response:
Thank you for your email. I am no longer with The Weather Channel. If you are a viewer with feedback or a question, please visit our customer service page at [url=http://www.weather.com/customerservice]www.weather.com/customerservice[/url] ([url]http://www.weather.com/customerservice[/url]). On this site you will find an extensive list of frequently asked questions as well as a feedback form.
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Speaking of the radio division, TWC had been the provider for WGN Radio in Chicago, but while I was traveling today, I heard Jim Ramsey from WGN-TV giving the forecast instead. I'm assuming TWC has pulled out of WGN Radio...
...so is the whole TWC Radio division pretty much gone?
Yeah, pretty much. What I heard is that it took a huge hit, and that most of the radio staff are gone. :yes:
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Wasn't Jorma Duran let go? He's still on as of this morning. :huh:
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I'm hearing that CNBC's going to get cuts too. It sounds more like a GE-related thing than a TWC-related thing. Remember, GE has a budget shortfall, which affects NBCU, which affects TWC.
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Wasn't Jorma Duran let go? He's still on as of this morning. :huh:
Same with Tetiana Anderson; she was on this morning, too.
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Duran appeared on MSNBC this morning in TWC winter storm gear.
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TWC just updated the Bios page and Schwartz, Lemke and Deon are indeed gone. However it appears that the Forecast Earth staff as well as Jeff Mielcarz, Tetiana Anderson and Jorma Duran remain for now.
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Maybe their layoffs take effect at a later date. :yes:
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I have some updated information just in from Patrick. First, Jorma Duran and Tetiana Anderson DO remain for now, but he tells me that he's sure they'll be gone before long, since NBC has more than enough field crews of their own and will most certainly get rid of TWC's field reporters.
He tells me also that Road Crew AND Jeff Mielcarz have been canned from the information he's gotten.
He says that the radio side did not get hit as hard as once thought, and in fact did not get hit very hard at all. He also tells me that he spoke with former PR rep Kathy Lane who told him that FE is gone, but that Heidi Cullen was retained. He says he does not know for what purpose yet.
Finally, he says that he feels quite sure that as NBC continues to settle in we'll see more layoffs.
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Dont know if it was posted or not but http://www.weather.com/tv/personalities/ (http://www.weather.com/tv/personalities/) has been updated :cry: Bye Dave
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Where will the 3 OCms who got laid off, now work? Will they be meterologists at local TV stations or take other positions besides weather?
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Where will the 3 OCms who got laid off, now work? Will they be meterologists at local TV stations or take other positions besides weather?
How are we suppose to know? :whistling:
It would be nice if they were able to take a TV job somewhere else, but maybe they are ready to go elsewhere with there lives. We'll have to wait and see if anyone shows up somewhere else :yes:
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Dave used to be in the psychology field, so perhaps he'll go back there. :yes:
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I wish Dave were to go here since this is where he originated and where his hometown his, but I doubt it.
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I see Matt suddenly put up a tribute to Dave Schwartz. And as I suspected, most of the videos are from MY era.
What a loser. On the other hand, if he's got to run out and slap together shit like this he must be feeling pretty desperate for attention. And speaking of desperation, people don't like it. I know that from experience.
Oh, and did I mention he was a total loser? :rofl:
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Oh, and did I mention he was a total loser? :rofl:
I think so.
If you want to do a tribute to a long-time OCM, you gotta show footage from the classics to the present.
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Oh, and did I mention he was a total loser? :rofl:
I think so.
If you want to do a tribute to a long-time OCM, you gotta show footage from the classics to the present.
Yep, if what your trying to do is an honest to goodness tribute. God knows he's got plenty of classic footage he could've went through had he wanted to do an actual tribute. But when your just trying to screw the competition because you know they're rubbing your face on the sidewalk, those little niceties are moot. Apparently he thinks that being an ass is going to help him in some way. I'm content to let him think that. Hopefully he'll drive his site right into the ground. It's truly a shame that his power got to his head so much. We'll never be friends, or so much as speak, again. I don't want to be friends with a person like him.
On that note, I too will be doing a tribute. I'll be doing one for each Dave and Cheryl (not Eboni though, she wasn't as much a TWC staple as the other two), and both will be proper tributes, not a weak attempt at screwing Matt.
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As of tonight, Jeff Mielcarz has been moved back into the TWC studios, and he's doing the weather.com video forecasts this evening.
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As of tonight, Jeff Mielcarz has been moved back into the TWC studios, and he's doing the weather.com video forecasts this evening.
Wow, I'm surprised he's still around. :yes:
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Natalie Allen is also still around; she shot a Forecast Earth Headlines segment this morning that aired tonight on EE.
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Parent company NBCU is laying off 500 of its workers.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aLg3aqv0SZRE&refer=us (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aLg3aqv0SZRE&refer=us)
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I heard about this earlier. It will be interesting to see if any familiar names get cut. I heard that this is going to effect both their MSNBC and NBC news operations, amongst other things.
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As of tonight, Jeff Mielcarz has been moved back into the TWC studios, and he's doing the weather.com video forecasts this evening.
Here are the Jeff Mielcarz weather.com videos in case anyone missed them:
http://e.imagehost.org/download/0585/Jeff_Mielcarz_December_4_2008 (http://e.imagehost.org/download/0585/Jeff_Mielcarz_December_4_2008)
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I hope NBC doesn't rebrand The Weather Channel.
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I hope NBC doesn't rebrand The Weather Channel.
I *highly* doubt that will happen. The Weather Channel is highly respected name, and has been for over 28 years. We will not be seeing it renamed the NBC Weather Channel or the NBC Weather Plus network or anything of the like. You have nothing to worry about :yes:
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Wow, some people come up with the wackiest things. :wacko:
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NBC ACQUIRED TWC for the brand equity the name has. Why ruin that built brand equity?
And with Mielcarz back at TWC, I'll make the appropriate changes needed.
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Well, at least its not Rupert Merdock. He happens to opperate the News Corperation, and the News Corp owns Fox. Look what News Corp. did to TV Guide... even Disney ruined both ABC and ESPN.
I hate Disney and News Corp! I also hate Viacom and CBS Corperation too! :angry:
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Wow, yet another Einstein over at the other board is blaming General Electric for the recent changes at TWC.
I can't say it enough: GENERAL ELECTRIC HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. :rolleyes:
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Well, at least its not Rupert Merdock. He happens to opperate the News Corperation, and the News Corp owns Fox. Look what News Corp. did to TV Guide... even Disney ruined both ABC and ESPN.
I hate Disney and News Corp! I also hate Viacom and CBS Corperation too! :angry:
TV Guide channel is owned by Macrovision, not News Corp.
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TV Guide itself is owned by News Corp.
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But still, most of us hate big media companies.
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TV Guide itself is owned by News Corp.
What difference does that make?
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TV Guide CHANNEL is owned by a different company. I was replying to Mike to clarify the statement.
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Laying off Dave Schwartz was a huge mistake.
When MTV started in the early 80s, they were much better than they are now. Sadly, I can say the same for TWC, which seems to have adopted more of a variety show aspect than that of disseminating meteorological information. Yes, they've broadened their horizons, but I don't care much for some of their changes.
Dave was a keeper. I hope he finds better employment someplace else -- hopefully on a national scale so we can all continue to see him -- and can later thumb his nose back at whoever it was who ultimately sealed his fate.
Bad choice, TWC.
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Well, as so many others have said so well, TWC is but a mere shadow of it's former self.
Dave and Cheryl, two of my favorite OCM's, knowledgeable, smart, funny (Dave, "My Friend" Schwarz), articulate, (Cheryl), and professional. (Eboni).
Now, this weekend I see that more OCM's have left. Rich Johnson, Kristina Abernathy :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:, and Kristen Dodd.
Keep this trend up and TWC will have one less viewer. I know, big deal, one less viewer, but I do watch and do purchase their sponsor's products.
Regards
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Better not lay off Alexandra Steele or Stephanie Abrams. :angry:
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If they lay off anyone else it would most likely be ocms like Mike Sidel, Sharon Resultan, Vivian Brown, Nick Walker,and if they are incredibly stupid Jim Cantore, Paul Goodloe, Kim Perez, and Jeff Morrow, Bill Keneely, and Heather Tesch. Out of all of them I'm concerned for Heather. :(
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If they lay off anyone else it would most likely be ocms like Mike Sidel, Sharon Resultan, Vivian Brown, Nick Walker,and if they are incredibly stupid Jim Cantore, Paul Goodloe, Kim Perez, and Jeff Morrow, Bill Keneely, and Heather Tesch. Out of all of them I'm concerned for Heather. :(
I feel pretty confident that none of those are going anywhere.
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Maybe Sharon, Vivian, and Kim, but I doubt about any of the others.
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My guess: Sharon, Jeff, Vivian.
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Jeff is on First Outlook... ratings for that show are rather high. Plus I think he also occasionally reports out in the field.
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You guys crack me up.
Look, from my discussions with my contact, I feel pretty sure that we've seen all the layoffs we're likely to see. Another round is highly unlikely.
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You guys crack me up.
Look, from my discussions with my contact, I feel pretty sure that we've seen all the layoffs we're likely to see. Another round is highly unlikely.
I sure hope you are right, Gary. These layoffs have been depressing news for far too long. :no:
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You guys crack me up.
Look, from my discussions with my contact, I feel pretty sure that we've seen all the layoffs we're likely to see. Another round is highly unlikely.
I sure hope you are right, Gary. These layoffs have been depressing news for far too long. :no:
I don't see how they COULD eliminate anyone else, unless they intend to bring some of the folks from NBC aboard. Otherwise, they'd be impossibly shorthanded.