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Title: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 29, 2008, 07:07:12 AM
Starting with today's YWT, TWC has started pillar boxing SD programming on the HD channel. IMO, it's kind of annoying. I *hate* pillar boxing. It distracts from the program and just rubs in the fact that it's not HD.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: beanboy89 on May 29, 2008, 07:46:03 AM
Wait, they've just started? I thought SD programming on the HD channel has always been pillar boxed, like this:

(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3655/snapshot20080529074346eq0.jpg)

If they've just started, how was it before? Stretch-o-vision?
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: twcclassics on May 29, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen that technique. :huh:
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Tyler on May 29, 2008, 03:02:40 PM
Yeah, many local news stations use that format, Matt. :yes:
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: tpirfan28 on May 29, 2008, 03:08:28 PM
Distracting would be if they used the pillarbars for forecast information.

Is it just a standard black bar, or is it a custom bar?
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Mike M on May 29, 2008, 03:08:50 PM
Why exactly do they do this? I know it's to indicate that it isn't HD, but it's pretty annoying.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Tyler on May 29, 2008, 04:12:30 PM
That way the non-HD programming looks natural, instead of being really s t r e t c h e d out.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 29, 2008, 04:14:59 PM
I meant to say stylized pillar boxing started today; they were black before today. I'd much prefer the black ones back.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Mike M on May 29, 2008, 04:19:12 PM
So you mean they have the logo and design on the pillar boxing, kind of like ESPN HD?
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 29, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
Yeah, the bars are blue with small TWC|HD| logos in the background behind a large |HD| logo in the center of each pillar box.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Tyler on May 29, 2008, 08:18:17 PM
Anyone have a pic of these per chance?
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: beanboy89 on May 29, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
Anyone have a pic of these per chance?
You've read my mind, Tyler. I was just about to ask that myself. :P
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 29, 2008, 09:22:24 PM
Coming up...
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 29, 2008, 09:38:26 PM
Here we go; first the image from its very first use today...

(http://b.imagehost.org/0944/HDPillars.png)

...and here's the video of the teaser and the opener that it was pulled from.

http://b.imagehost.org/download/0246/HDPillars.avi

See that small piece of wall between the left "column" in the studio and the big backdrop? The light shining on that has burned out since this morning.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Localonthe8s on May 29, 2008, 09:40:33 PM
Wow for an SD related show, the quality looks quite clear.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Al on May 29, 2008, 09:40:49 PM
...isn't that the weekend now backdrop?

edit: nevermind. i always seem to confuse the two :P
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Tyler on May 29, 2008, 09:45:59 PM
Thanks, SR! :hug:
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Tyler on May 29, 2008, 09:52:05 PM
Here's a random question... since when did the "weather.com" tag disappear from the logo that briefly shows before opens?
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Al on May 29, 2008, 10:08:07 PM
i also noticed a short cut from the opener played before the teaser came in....hahaha.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 29, 2008, 11:19:27 PM
Here's a random question... since when did the "weather.com" tag disappear from the logo that briefly shows before opens?

It disappeared from the HD feed in December on the same day that the drop shadow was restored to the logo on the SD feed.

Oh, and Victor, the HD feed has always had amazingly good upconversion quality. The quality, I'd say, is just one step below actual HD.

In the past week or so, I noticed that the text being output on the chyrons has become jagged on the edges; I wonder if it has something to do with resources being devoted to the HD productions.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: beanboy89 on May 29, 2008, 11:31:02 PM

In the past week or so, I noticed that the text being output on the chyrons has become jagged on the edges; I wonder if it has something to do with resources being devoted to the HD productions.
Chyrons? I had to look that one up. Why not just say lower third? :P

BTW, thanks for that screenshot/video, Steve.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 30, 2008, 12:17:53 AM
It's not just lower thirds but any graphics that come out of the control room. The lower thirds on packages made in editing (i.e. recorded teasers) still have smooth text.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: NYCTWCjunkie on May 30, 2008, 02:15:05 AM
That way the non-HD programming looks natural, instead of being really s t r e t c h e d out.

Yeah, like everything on TBS HD except for the syndicated shows actually shot in HD and the Major League Baseball games.

Too had that The Weather Channel didn't make their HD logo bigger and vertical like ESPN does with theirs.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 30, 2008, 03:58:20 AM
BTW, they've since changed the |HD| logos in the foreground from white to shades of blue. I guess they realized that the white was a little distracting. It looks better now.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: twcclassics on May 30, 2008, 10:58:38 AM
Now that I think of it, our Fox affiliate does that. Not sure why (or if it's even them -- could be Dish). Either way it's annoying and looks rather unprofessional. Their box looks like someone took uneven strips of paper and taped them to the sides. Thankfully, the only reason I watch that station is for "Family Guy." But even then the box ticks me off. :P
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 30, 2008, 05:08:17 PM
My CBS used to do that for all 4:3 programming, including the local news and The Late Late Show, and it always bugged me. They stopped doing it with the new year, though.
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: beanboy89 on May 30, 2008, 05:19:22 PM
This is swaying a bit off topic, but ya know what's even worse than pillarboxing? Windowboxing.

(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/457/snapshot20080530171607uk6.jpg)

Speaking of which, are the newer WWCH promos finally in HD?
Title: Re: TWC has started pillar boxing 4:3 programming
Post by: Spring Rubber on May 30, 2008, 05:59:58 PM
Nope, not yet; silly, isn't it?