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Weather Discussion => Hazardous Weather => Winter Weather => Topic started by: gt1racerlHDl on February 05, 2013, 09:16:17 PM
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Latest ECMWF Model run shows a powerful storm walloping the New England Coastline Friday into Saturday Afternoon.
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And nearly on the 35th anniversary of the blizzard of 1978. Amazing...
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Here's my Forecast for the Blizzard of 2013
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Parts of RI and MA are under a Blizzard Watch now which includes cities such as Boston and Providence.
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There is such a major spread in the forecast totals. Here is what I gathered from local stations and the major broadcasting companies.
TWC: 1-3"
CBS2: 4-8"
CBS Evening News: 12-24"
NBC4: 6-9"
TWC's forecast of 1-3" is absolutely ridiculous and is probably the worst forecast I've ever seen. I don't know what models the local stations are looking at. Most models have us with at least 10". 18z GFS drops around 3.5" of precip. If you assume that even 1.5" of that 3.5" of precip that falls is rain, that's still 20" of snow! So my call is 1 to 2 feet here.
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I don't really do snowfall maps much outside of the Southeast, but I thought I would take a crack at this blizzard. I hope my map isn't too confusing, it's part of the reason I added city markers.
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I hope this thing actually brings some real snow to north Jersey. I've got this icky feeling that all the snow will hit Boston and we'll get a light dusting here. Except for the eerily early one, everything has been far north or far south.
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Thinking of chasing this one.
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And this is why I avoid New England during this time of year. I like snow but not a lot of it. A foot at one time? No thanks.
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And this is why I avoid New England during this time of year. I like snow but not a lot of it. A foot at one time? No thanks.
I like to experience all kinds of weather extremes, I've never been through a blizzard so I would like see for myself in person what's it like. :yes:
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Heres what all the Boston and Providence news stations are saying for Fall River, MA
CBS - 18" - 24"
WCVB - Picture below
WLNE - 12" - 20
WHDH - Picture below
NECN - 12" - 18"
WJAR - 10" - 20"
WPRI - 12" - 24"
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This is my second call
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Fall River and Boston Public Schools have already been cancelled for tomorrow
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I like to experience all kinds of weather extremes, I've never been through a blizzard so I would like see for myself in person what's it like. :yes:
Get ready to see only white whenever you do have one in the future. :P You can cope just fine in a blizzard if you can keep your power and heat and stay indoors as much as possible. However, if you lose power and heat, or if you choose to be out driving and suddenly get lost or stranded, then a blizzard becomes a nightmare fast. A lot of people have died because of those two reasons.
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Both the Euro and NAM have me with 2 feet plus. Blizzard watch in effect, expecting to be upgraded to a warning. Still school going on tomorrow as usual. They don't cancel school for major events until the last minute. They must think these bus drivers can drive through anything. PLEASE! Being in a blizzard is awesome. I've never been on the road in one, but you have to be extremely cautions because in blizzards, the vis can be 0, and the roads can be extremely slippery. Me and many others have waited two years for a storm like this, and we are finally getting one. Thank god. This will put me above average for the entire season. I already have 10.5" for the date, add about 15" + from this storm and we are at the average season total already.
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Updated Snow Potential map for Massachusetts
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I'll be in Boston before noon tomorrow
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I'll be in Boston before noon tomorrow
Darn, Fall River is 50 miles south of Boston :(
Blizzard Warning now up in MA, RI, CT and NY
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Do u know how many inches of snow central NJ will get?
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Do u know how many inches of snow central NJ will get?
According to the NWS, 6-10 inches.
Blizzard Warnings were extended to include the NYC metro area.
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Looks like NWS is expecting the heaviest snow from Connecticut northeastwards with totals up to 2 feet in those areas. Areas south look to get up to 15 with isolated higher totals.
Boston is gonna get slammed.
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Totals for me
18z GFS: 10-18"
18z NAM: 24-30"
12z Euro: 20-28"
12z NNM: 24-30"
15z SREF Mean: 15-20"
And yet, I don't see how people are still forecasting less than 10" here considering the Euro, which has 2ft for me, has been the best with this storm.
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Totals for me
18z GFS: 10-18"
18z NAM: 24-30"
12z Euro: 20-28"
12z NNM: 24-30"
15z SREF Mean: 15-20"
And yet, I don't see how people are still forecasting less than 10" here considering the Euro, which has 2ft for me, has been the best with this storm.
Some people might be going off climatology or taking into account prior events when making their forecasts. I'm usually hesitant to go on models alone. I expect New York to see probably about a foot, maybe 15 inches.
I have put up a 24 hour radar stream that I will have up until the event is over, if anyone wants quick access to regional radar.
http://livestre.am/1bys2 (http://livestre.am/1bys2)
EDIT:
Snowfall forecast for select cities. Part of a text forecast I did for my website before replacing it with something more user friendly.
BOSTON MA...20-26"
CONCORD NH...12-18"
HARTFORD CT...14-20"
NEWARK NJ...10-16"
NEW YORK NY...10-16"
PORTLAND ME...12-18"
PROVIDENCE RI...24-30"
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Totals for me
18z GFS: 10-18"
18z NAM: 24-30"
12z Euro: 20-28"
12z NNM: 24-30"
15z SREF Mean: 15-20"
And yet, I don't see how people are still forecasting less than 10" here considering the Euro, which has 2ft for me, has been the best with this storm.
A future tip when forecasting:
Never rely solely on models.
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TWC has my area in the 18-24" range.
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Do u know how many inches of snow central NJ will get?
According to the NWS, 6-10 inches.
Blizzard Warnings were extended to include the NYC metro area.
Not bad. I would expect to see 6 inches at the least.
And why did they choose the name Nemo? Are they serious of all names to use they decide to name a blizzard after a fish?
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Do u know how many inches of snow central NJ will get?
According to the NWS, 6-10 inches.
Blizzard Warnings were extended to include the NYC metro area.
Not bad. I would expect to see 6 inches at the least.
And why did they choose the name Nemo? Are they serious of all names to use they decide to name a blizzard after a fish?
I'm pretty sure they had no control over Nemo being the next name to follow on the list for this storm. :P I wonder if they played a game of Polo with the computer models to find him? He's been missing for 10 years. (Yeah, yeah, I know lame joke.) Someone had to do it eventually. :lol:
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A future tip when forecasting:
Never rely solely on models.
I know. From past events and climatology, this is easily over 12" for the area. Some analogs for this storm are the great blizzards of 1983 and 2006. I try not to model hug. Latest 4km NAM has 9" QPF amounts on the jersey shore, next to impossible.
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I'm looking at the current GFS model and it has the storm shifting slightly east.
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I'm looking at the current GFS model and it has the storm shifting slightly east.
I would toss it. It initialized bad. The NAM did a better job initializing. The MM5 looks really good. It nailed the Boxing Day Blizzard and Feb 2006. Let's see what the Euro can spit out.
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I wouldn't recommend using the GFS or any other long range model as your main guidance at this point since you're within less than 24 hours of the event effecting your area. I would focus a little more on the short range models like the NAM, RPM, SERF, RAP, etc. since they tend to pick up on some of the mesoscale features that the GFS, ECMWF, CMC, etc might not see.
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Do u know how many inches of snow central NJ will get?
According to the NWS, 6-10 inches.
Blizzard Warnings were extended to include the NYC metro area.
Not bad. I would expect to see 6 inches at the least.
And why did they choose the name Nemo? Are they serious of all names to use they decide to name a blizzard after a fish?
Well according to weather.com's name list, Nemo is "a Greek boy's name meaning 'from the valley,' means 'nobody' in Latin." But yeah, honestly, when i hear about Nemo, I'm going to think about a clownfish who got taken by divers and had an adventure.
Most of TWC's names for these winter storms are okay because they're names of gods and goddesses, etc. The only weird one is "Q": the Broadway Express subway line in NYC. Really?!?
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I wouldn't recommend using the GFS or any other long range model as your main guidance at this point since you're within less than 24 hours of the event effecting your area. I would focus a little more on the short range models like the NAM, RPM, SERF, RAP, etc. since they tend to pick up on some of the mesoscale features that the GFS, ECMWF, CMC, etc might not see.
Right, NAM is what i'm looking into now.
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The radar just looks amazing. If you look at loops, you can clearly see the rotation around the center of the low, even forming a small eye at the center.
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The only weird one is "Q"
For fans of Star Trek TNG (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Q), though, this may well be the scariest one. It's only three storms away, too, if we get that many more.
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I feel fairly confident about this, so this is my final map.
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Its already slippery outside with about 1-2" already on the ground, i experienced it walking my dog just now.
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The snow is coming down HARD! Here's an LF I recorded earlier. Does anyone know what happened to the icons? It's been like this during Sandy coverage as well.
The Weather Channel Winter Storm Nemo Coverage + Piscataway, NJ Local on the 8s 2/8/13 3:28 PM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OUA7f2Xtoo#)
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Meso discussion of 2-3" Snowfall Rates in SE Mass.
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0124.html (http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0124.html)
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There have been multiple reports of snowfall rates as high as 4-6 in/hr! :o I didn't catch the name of the town (wasn't completely focused on my TV when he said the name), but Chris Warren mentioned this town saw a foot of snow in two hours! :thrilled: My jaw drops when we see 1 in/hr rates here, I can ONLY imagine what 6 inches/hr would be like to witness in person.
EDIT: I found out what town it was, this tweet was posted over at AmWx
Marc Weinberg @MarcWeinbergWX
Storm spotters in Coventry, CT of 12 inches in 90 minutes. I have never heard of snowfall rates of 8" per hour!?? #blizzard #n
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OMG I JUST HEARD THUNDERSNOW!!
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OMG I JUST HEARD THUNDERSNOW!!
Welcome to the Jim Cantore Fan Club! :lol:
(http://i1.livememe.com/1hkpix.jpg)
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Jim Cantore just said he was "disappointed" to have not seen lightning so far in Boston. I guess he's longing for more thundersnow. :dance:
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He should have went to CT or Long Island. Plenty of thundersnow reported out there.
Speaking of disappointments, I'm disappointed to see NYC might not manage to see over 6 inches out of this. A lot of things went wrong there, the wasted 1/2 inch of QPF that went to being only rain, along with a late phase of the two energies (clipper & nor'easter) which caused a nice little break in the snow action. I heard Central Park has only accumulated 2.5 inches. :wall: Great, the one time I choose to be gutsy on a snow forecast and I'll probably end up having a dozen egg yolks streaming from my face. :P
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A future tip when forecasting:
Never rely solely on models.
I totally agree. :yes: Models are not perfect and weather is not an exact science.
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He should have went to CT or Long Island. Plenty of thundersnow reported out there.
Speaking of disappointments, I'm disappointed to see NYC might not manage to see over 6 inches out of this. A lot of things went wrong there, the wasted 1/2 inch of QPF that went to being only rain, along with a late phase of the two energies (clipper & nor'easter) which caused a nice little break in the snow action. I heard Central Park has only accumulated 2.5 inches. :wall: Great, the one time I choose to be gutsy on a snow forecast and I'll probably end up having a dozen egg yolks streaming from my face. :P
This thing is far from over in our area. The city will easily see over a foot tonight with amazing snowfall rates. I would be shocked if they didn't. We still have about 4-6 more hours of decent snows before it tapers off. I'm already at 10.5" as of midnight, the north shore has 2 feet already. Many forecasters are now calling for nearly 3 feet on the north shore. A lot of people thought this was a bust, even my self, until part two came along.
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He should have went to CT or Long Island. Plenty of thundersnow reported out there.
Speaking of disappointments, I'm disappointed to see NYC might not manage to see over 6 inches out of this. A lot of things went wrong there, the wasted 1/2 inch of QPF that went to being only rain, along with a late phase of the two energies (clipper & nor'easter) which caused a nice little break in the snow action. I heard Central Park has only accumulated 2.5 inches. :wall: Great, the one time I choose to be gutsy on a snow forecast and I'll probably end up having a dozen egg yolks streaming from my face. :P
This thing is far from over in our area. The city will easily see over a foot tonight with amazing snowfall rates. I would be shocked if they didn't. We still have about 4-6 more hours of decent snows before it tapers off. I'm already at 10.5" as of midnight, the north shore has 2 feet already. Many forecasters are now calling for nearly 3 feet on the north shore. A lot of people thought this was a bust, even my self, until part two came along.
Yeah, waking up this morning it's clear I hit the panic button way too early. :lol:
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17.5" here. Great storm, glad we got one after how bad this winter has been and last year's winter. Season total is up to 28.3" (which is 602% of last year). KISP reported about 27.3" of snow from this storm, Upton reported 30" of snow.
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21.8 inches in Boston so far with another 5-8 inches expected. 21.8 makes this storm No. 6 all-time.
Here are some spotter snowfall reports courtesy of NWS Boston/Taunton:
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
SPOTTER REPORTS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
835 AM EST SAT FEB 09 2013
THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE PAST 4
HOURS FOR THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION
IS EXTENDED TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN
SPOTTERS AND MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE
ON OUR HOME PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/BOSTON
********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************
LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT
CONNECTICUT
...HARTFORD COUNTY...
AVON 25.0 643 AM 2/09 NONE
NORTH GRANBY 25.0 610 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
3 NNW WEST HARTFORD 24.3 730 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
SIMSBURY 24.0 618 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
COLLINSVILLE 23.5 806 AM 2/09 NONE
WINDSOR 23.0 700 AM 2/09 NONE
EAST HARTFORD 20.0 621 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
ENFIELD 20.0 620 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
...TOLLAND COUNTY...
STAFFORDVILLE 27.2 829 AM 2/09 CO-OP OBSERVER
SOMERS 25.5 646 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
STAFFORD SPRINGS 24.5 808 AM 2/09 NONE
...WINDHAM COUNTY...
HAMPTON 25.0 829 AM 2/09 COOP OBSERVER
ASHFORD 24.0 828 AM 2/09 GENERAL PUBLIC
EAST KILLINGLY 23.1 732 AM 2/09 NONE
1 SW EAST KILLINGLY 23.1 800 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
POMFRET CENTER 18.0 656 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
MASSACHUSETTS
...BARNSTABLE COUNTY...
SOUTH SAGAMORE 11.0 609 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
EAST FALMOUTH 10.0 823 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
SOUTH YARMOUTH 8.0 622 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
CENTERVILLE 6.0 558 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
...BRISTOL COUNTY...
NORTON 22.5 721 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
TAUNTON 21.0 700 AM 2/09 NWS OFFICE
SOMERSET 15.7 703 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
FAIRHAVEN 13.5 606 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
ACUSHNET 12.5 616 AM 2/09 NONE
...DUKES COUNTY...
WEST TISBURY 11.5 610 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
1 WSW VINEYARD HAVEN 10.1 700 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
...ESSEX COUNTY...
TOPSFIELD 20.0 745 AM 2/09 NONE
SALISBURY 19.0 706 AM 2/09 NONE
NEWBURYPORT 19.0 708 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
...FRANKLIN COUNTY...
GREENFIELD 20.0 820 AM 2/09 MEDIA
WARWICK 16.6 731 AM 2/09 T F GREEN
EAST CHARLEMONT 15.5 730 AM 2/09 SPOTTER
HEATH 14.0 704 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
...HAMPDEN COUNTY...
SOUTHWICK 28.3 800 AM 2/09 NONE
MONSON 24.0 653 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
BLANDFORD 24.0 446 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
CHESTER 22.0 752 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
SPRINGFIELD 18.5 630 AM 2/09 CO-OP
CHICOPEE 18.0 833 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
...HAMPSHIRE COUNTY...
NORTHAMPTON 24.0 700 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
AMHERST 21.5 731 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
WESTHAMPTON 21.0 725 AM 2/09 SPOTTER
GRANBY 21.0 733 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
SOUTH HADLEY 20.0 644 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
BELCHERTOWN 18.5 625 AM 2/09 EMERGENCY MANAGER
AMHERST COLLEGE 17.8 630 AM 2/09 NONE
WORTHINGTON 16.0 829 AM 2/09 CO-OP OBSERVER
PLAINFIELD 15.9 644 AM 2/09 NONE
...MIDDLESEX COUNTY...
BELMONT 27.0 727 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
MELROSE 26.5 553 AM 2/09 NONE
SHERBORN 25.8 716 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
WALTHAM 25.0 734 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
MEDFORD 24.0 812 AM 2/09 NONE
WESTFORD 24.0 725 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
LITTLETON 24.0 803 AM 2/09 NONE
NATICK 23.0 816 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
TOWNSEND 22.4 728 AM 2/09 NONE
STONEHAM 22.0 715 AM 2/09 SPOTTER
AYER 20.0 824 AM 2/09 NONE
SHIRLEY 20.0 803 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
PEPPERELL 20.0 702 AM 2/09 NONE
GROTON 16.0 824 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
...NANTUCKET COUNTY...
NANTUCKET 3.0 822 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
...NORFOLK COUNTY...
WRENTHAM 26.0 702 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
1 NW NORWOOD 24.0 700 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
NORWOOD 24.0 757 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
WELLESLEY 23.5 746 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
WALPOLE 22.0 707 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
MILLIS 22.0 655 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
FRANKLIN 20.9 704 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
FOXBORO 20.5 630 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
...PLYMOUTH COUNTY...
WEST BRIDGEWATER 22.0 631 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
HANOVER 19.0 658 AM 2/09 GENERAL PUBLIC
HANSON 17.8 556 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
PLYMOUTH 11.5 821 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
1 N EAST BOSTON 21.8 710 AM 2/09 LOGAN AIRPORT
WINTHROP 21.8 710 AM 2/09 NONE
...WORCESTER COUNTY...
WORCESTER 28.0 751 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
NORTHBORO 28.0 759 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
SHREWSBURY 27.0 735 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
SPENCER 26.3 630 AM 2/09 NONE
MILBURY 26.0 754 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
MILFORD 26.0 649 AM 2/09 GENERAL PUBLIC
SOUTHBORO 25.5 646 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
OXFORD 25.2 623 AM 2/09 GENERAL PUBLIC
CLINTON 25.0 811 AM 2/09 GENERAL PUBLIC
DOUGLAS 25.0 826 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
GARDNER 24.0 758 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
STERLING 22.2 806 AM 2/09 NONE
NORTH GRAFTON 19.0 827 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
LEOMINSTER 18.9 725 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
2 S LEOMINSTER 18.9 700 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
ROYALSTON 15.0 818 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
NEW HAMPSHIRE
...CHESHIRE COUNTY...
EAST ALSTEAD 14.0 706 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
WNW WEST CHESTERFIEL 12.5 700 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
...HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY...
GOFFSTOWN 28.0 802 AM 2/09 NONE
NASHUA 24.0 500 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
PELHAM 24.0 715 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
2 S NEW BOSTON 23.0 745 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
MILFORD 20.0 705 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
PETERBOROUGH 19.0 758 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
3 SE MILFORD 17.0 752 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
HUDSON 15.8 700 AM 2/09 CO-OP
3 ENE HOLLIS 11.5 700 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
RHODE ISLAND
...KENT COUNTY...
WEST WARWICK 19.0 535 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
2 NNW WARWICK 16.6 700 AM 2/09 TF GREEN AIRPORT
...PROVIDENCE COUNTY...
WEST GLOCESTER 25.7 703 AM 2/09 TRAINED SPOTTER
BURRILLVILLE 25.0 808 AM 2/09 GENERAL PUBLIC
WOONSOCKET 24.4 700 AM 2/09 MEDIA
1 ESE WOONSOCKET 24.4 700 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
CUMBERLAND 24.1 635 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
SMITHFIELD 24.0 714 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
NE MANVILLE 23.9 700 AM 2/09 COCORAHS
PROVIDENCE 19.5 818 AM 2/09 NONE
GLOCESTER 17.0 543 AM 2/09 GENERAL PUBLIC
...WASHINGTON COUNTY...
CHARLESTOWN 19.0 654 AM 2/09 HAM RADIO
New Haven County, Conn. appears to be the big winner here, courtesy of NWS New York:
...NEW HAVEN COUNTY...
MILFORD 38.0 615 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
OXFORD 36.2 600 AM 2/09 SKYWARN SPOTTER
NEW HAVEN 34.3 600 AM 2/09 CT DOT
HAMDEN 34.0 130 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
WOLCOTT 33.0 457 AM 2/09 SKYWARN SPOTTER
MADISON 32.0 321 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
NAUGATUCK 30.0 600 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
MERIDEN 30.0 400 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
BRANFORD 28.0 700 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
NORTH BRANFORD 27.0 243 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
GUILFORD 27.0 200 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
NORTH HAVEN 25.7 204 AM 2/09 SKYWARN SPOTTER
NORTH GUILFORD 24.0 1100 PM 2/08 SKYWARN SPOTTER
WATERBURY 24.0 600 AM 2/09 CT DOT
NORTH BRANDFORD 24.0 1230 AM 2/09 PUBLIC
SOUTHBURY 21.0 600 AM 2/09 CT DOT
BEACON FALLS 18.0 400 AM 2/09 CT DOT
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New Brunswick received just over 7" but some places just 15 mins away received up to 10". There is a lot of snow but I'm disappointed to not see more. Now the main concern is ice.
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16 hour power outage finally ends in Fall River, 7:40pm to 11:08am
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Holy smokes! :o
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New Brunswick received just over 7" but some places just 15 mins away received up to 10". There is a lot of snow but I'm disappointed to not see more. Now the main concern is ice.
Paramus I think got over 14 inches >.<
Anyways, there is another winter storm headed for the North East on Valentine's Day. The setup is looking remarkably similar to yesterday's system.
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Well according to weather.com's name list, Nemo is "a Greek boy's name meaning 'from the valley,' means 'nobody' in Latin." But yeah, honestly, when i hear about Nemo, I'm going to think about a clownfish who got taken by divers and had an adventure.
Most of TWC's names for these winter storms are okay because they're names of gods and goddesses, etc. The only weird one is "Q": the Broadway Express subway line in NYC. Really?!?
The name Nemo is almost a paradox, but that also makes it very intriguing. Nightwish wrote a song entitled Nemo, which seems to be about lacking an identity.
http://www.ee.columbia.edu/~nemo/nemo.html (http://www.ee.columbia.edu/~nemo/nemo.html)
Nemo is an Oromo word meaning "The Man". Wow, you say... But wait. In Latin, the same word means "Nobody"! In Homer's Odyssey, when Ulysses blinds the Cyclops, the Cyclops asks him: "Who are you?", to which Ulysses replies (in the Latin translation): "Nemo." When the Cyclops was later asked by his father Neptune: "Who did this to you?", he answers "Nobody did it."
So, if you were to call someone Nemo, you could be calling him or her a nobody. You could also be saying "you da man."
As for the clown fish... don't give Disney any more power than they already have. Finding Nemo was ripped off a children's book whose author was given no credit. They're already trying to literally trademark the name Snow White, even though it's public domain. Let's not start whining, "You can't call a storm Nemo" just because Disney used the name for something. The name is much older. And if anything, Disney probably named their famous clown fish after Captain Nemo, who had amazing adventures "20000 Leagues Under the Sea."
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Fall River Public is one of the first to cancel school Monday due to Nemo
http://www1.whdh.com/stormforce/ (http://www1.whdh.com/stormforce/)
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Holy smokes! :o
Hurricane anyone? :P
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For a cold-core low, that is a very, very impressive image.
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I'm just thinking... shouldn't the word "potential" be removed from this thread's title?
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I'm just thinking... shouldn't the word "potential" be removed from this thread's title?
It's been taken care of now. :yes:
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Jim Cantore just said he was "disappointed" to have not seen lightning so far in Boston. I guess he's longing for more thundersnow. :dance:
I chatted with him a bit and apparently he was inside the sat truck when we had one of the strikes here in Boston.
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Holy smokes! :o
Might as well call it Hurricane Nemo
Or in further embellishment, Winturricane Nemo
xD
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Or Superstorm Nemo :O Did anyone happen to see this pic out of Long Island?
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427318_437329906350959_963496300_n.jpg (http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427318_437329906350959_963496300_n.jpg)
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They're apparently catching just a little backlash over naming winter storms and particularly over this one being named Nemo. No matter where the name came from, most people now seem to think of a Disney movie when they hear the name. Furthermore, it seems as though the criteria for naming a winter storm is up for grabs. Some people even think that other types of weather events will begin to be named following this logic.
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Under a freezing rain advisory. The snowpack from this blizzard will cause temps to be below freezing when the rain begins.
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They're apparently catching just a little backlash over naming winter storms and particularly over this one being named Nemo. No matter where the name came from, most people now seem to think of a Disney movie when they hear the name. Furthermore, it seems as though the criteria for naming a winter storm is up for grabs. Some people even think that other types of weather events will begin to be named following this logic.
They've been getting nitpicked over the storm-naming thing ever since it was first announced.
People are starting to get fed up with media sensationalism in general, no matter what it is. Ever since the buyout, and before the storm-naming, the amount of fear-mongering and hype surrounding even the potential of severe weather, went through the roof. I remember "OMG SNOWPOCALYPSE" and it was still a week before the storm was due (which of course did practically nothing to anyone).
TWC got further flak for it because the tried & true institutes of weather have been wanting no part of it. Coming up with a proper system for what snow storms are deserving of names is also very difficult because what makes a memorable winter storm is so much more ambiguous than a Hurricane. What is called major snow for one location is laughable for another. And then there's the ice storm element to consider, and the type of snow. A foot of snow at 20 degrees is a big inconvenience. Drop that same amount of snow when the temperature is 34 degrees and you've got major power outages and roads blocked for possibly days.
Hurricanes though... severe winds are severe winds no matter where you live. The same goes for flooding. It also helps that they always have a well-defined eye, and therefore a specific location where you can always get an accurate reading on the maximum wind speed.
Personally, I always wanted winter storms to get proper naming. But even as an impulsive little kid, I never thought it would happen like this. I saw it as more of a "wait and see" method, which was typically what TWC did back in the day. Some major storms had TWC bringing out special editions of winter weather reports. But when I REALLY knew that a storm had earned itself a name, was when TWC created custom graphics for it and gave it a generic title such as "Superstorm 93" (shameless plug).
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You know as much as people criticize over TWC naming winter storms, its actually working. I watched several major newscasts on CNN, ABC, and various other shows on other networks following the event. All of them mentioned "nemo" when referring to the storm. The Weather Channel has been able to influence other networks and millions of people into using the name. Even if you don't agree with the decision you have to admit how successful it has been in terms of marketing.
Some of you are blowing the naming thing way out of proportion too. With the NHC you have a world recognized, government scientific organization assigning a name to a storm. In this case you have a cable news station naming a winter storm. Its not supposed to be exact or meet the criteria of quality that the NHC uses. Nobody is expecting that. Its simply a means to better reference events. Why aren't people in an uproar about Tor:Con? Thats a proprietary system used by The Weather Channel to give a threat level to severe events. It specifically circumvents the forecasts put out by the SPC/NOAA in favor for their own.
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You know as much as people criticize over TWC naming winter storms, its actually working. I watched several major newscasts on CNN, ABC, and various other shows on other networks following the event. All of them mentioned "nemo" when referring to the storm. The Weather Channel has been able to influence other networks and millions of people into using the name. Even if you don't agree with the decision you have to admit how successful it has been in terms of marketing.
Marketing doesn't exactly work though if everyday folks don't know who is giving the name to storms. Unless a little copyright TWC logo appears on screen every time someone from another media outlet uses the names (or they have to pay a royalty every time they say it).
Why aren't people in an uproar about Tor:Con? Thats a proprietary system used by The Weather Channel to give a threat level to severe events. It specifically circumvents the forecasts put out by the SPC/NOAA in favor for their own.
Heh. I actually rolled my eyes when I first saw Tor:Con. And I have a much worse opinion about it than I do about storm naming (which is more or less a mixed bag of precipitation). Maybe I'm wrong about this, but it seemed like they were trying to capitalize on the shock value of Defcon. Defcon is a very serious matter, tied in with the threat of Earth being turned into a fireball.
Why it has gotten less flak than storm naming, I don't know. Maybe people are just fed up with EVERYTHING in the realm of human consciousness being a marketing scheme.
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All people I've spoken to from my local media outlets still say TWC's naming convention for winter storms is insane.
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If TWC coordinated with more people and provided a transparent naming criteria before implementing this idea, then I feel everyone would have reacted more positively. I get the point of identification for research and history after the fact, but it seems to be a distraction before the event happens. I'm worried that everyone will start wanting a name and classification scale for every weather system imaginable to where we're so focused on it rather than what the particular system could do to ruin property and lives.
Look at all the snow, wind, power outages, and deaths that occurred just from this blizzard. We should be paying way more attention to the threats that storms pose, not so much the name or classification. The goals are to learn what went right and wrong, how to forecast the next one better, and how to make people respond properly to save lives and property in the future. TWC, NWS, the media, and anyone else in the meteorological community all should share this role. Anyway, I think we should head back on topic here as this blizzard was quite significant for New England.