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From Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--cellphoneban0228feb28,0,1147607.story)
Shut up or pay up: Drivers face start of tougher NJ phone ban
By BRAD HAYNES | Associated Press Writer
1:53 PM EST, February 28, 2008
TRENTON, N.J. - For New Jersey drivers, the message is clear: Keep your thumbs on the wheel and off the keypad.
Starting Saturday, police can slap drivers with a $100 fine for talking or text messaging on hand-held devices.
New Jersey joins four other states, including neighboring New York, where talking on a hand-held cell phone is reason enough to get pulled over. New Jersey also becomes the first state where text messaging on the road is a primary offense, meaning police need no other reason to pull a driver over, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Pam Fischer, director of New Jersey's Division of Highway Traffic Safety, said officers will be on the lookout for telltale signs of distracted drivers _ slow driving and the "cell-phone weave."
But enforcement of the text messaging law will be tough.
"It's difficult," Fischer said. "The law is designed to get those law-abiding folks to understand the danger inherent in these activities."
Drivers can still use their cell phones to contact police or emergency services, and can talk at any time with a hands-free device. But crash statistics suggest that those headsets and earpieces may not make conversations in the car any safer.
In 2006, nearly half of the 3,580 phone-related crashes in New Jersey also involved a hands-free device, according to transportation officials. Five of 11 fatal accidents involving a cell phone that year also involved a hands-free device.
Russ Rader, of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, said those figures are consistent with recent research showing no difference in crash risk between hand-held and hands-free cell phones.
"The conversation itself is the distraction," said Rader. "You are in another place when you are talking on the phone."
Trucker Lou Cataldo hopes the new law will cut down on the distracted drivers he sees all over the state.
"I see a car in the middle lane doing 50 miles per hour, and 99.9 percent of the time it's someone yakking on a cell phone," Cataldo said.
But Cataldo questioned how police would spot drivers typing out a message.
"If you're doing 75 miles per hour," he said, "the cop has to be right alongside to see you."
Driving while using a hand-held cell phone has been illegal in New Jersey since 2004, when the state became the second in the nation to pass a ban. However, it was considered a secondary offense _ something drivers could be ticketed for if they were pulled over for another reason. Over the past year, state courts have recorded 16,000 tickets issued for the offense.
Fischer called those numbers minimal and suggested they would go up significantly now that drivers can be pulled over for cell phone use alone.
Twenty-one state legislatures this year are considering some kind of ban on texting while driving.
"It's a popular issue this year," said Matt Sundeen, a transportation analyst with the National Conference of State Legislatures. "We expect to see some movement on this."
Since Jan. 1, Washington state drivers have been fined for texting on the road, but only if they are pulled over for another reason. Enforcement has been difficult; only six drivers have been fined in February.
"If we see them weaving and they're holding the phone high enough, we can get them," said Bob Calkins, a spokesman for the Washington State Patrol. "But if they're holding it down low, it's hard to cite them."
Drivers know it's a hard habit to break.
"At the outset, I was more guilty than anyone," said Assemblyman Paul Moriarty, D-Gloucester, who sponsored the bill to create a tougher ban.
He said he stopped reading e-mails on his Blackberry after his 12-year-old daughter scolded him. "That's when I realized _ this is crazy."
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That needs to be a national law. There's no reason for it, and theres no excuses
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Their talking about passing a law like that here in Maryland. I think its a great idea. I can't tell you how many near misses I've seen due to someone talking on the phone while trying to drive. :rolleyes:
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Gary, can you change the title? It sounds like you can't buy a cell phone in Jersey :D :P
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If I could kill every single person i saw in a day that was driving while on a cell phone, not only would i be in heaven, but there would be a shitload of dead bodies.
Maybe not the best analogy...
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changed the title for ya Vic. Good enough?
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changed the title for ya Vic. Good enough?
Perfect! B)
Thanks
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Why does it say you've edited my posts, when nothing has changed? :huh:
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My older school bus driver from earlier this year text messaged a lot, not to mention she would drive 40 mph in a 25 mph zone, and close to 60 mph in a 45 zone.
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thats retarded. a police officer won't have evidence that a person was talking on a cell phone unless he/she has a cam on their dashboards...and a good one at that :rolleyes:
states trying to outlaw driving while texting (DWT), is retarded as well...
not only that, your cell phone is part of you property, so they can't take it and view your latest calls / text messages from you unless they have a warrant out.
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I think it's a great idea. Unless it's an emergency, there's absolutely no reason why you should be on a phone while driving. And besides, it's dangerous. Your mind can't focus on two things at once. So, if you're talking on the cell phone while driving, you're main focus is NOT on the driving, and you run a higher risk of an accident. :yes:
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Well when it endangers many lives, it's very necessary. Maybe if people were more responsible, they wouldn't need such a law. But people have proved that they can't handle it.
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I think it's a great idea. Unless it's an emergency, there's absolutely no reason why you should be on a phone while driving. And besides, it's dangerous. Your mind can't focus on two things at once. So, if you're talking on the cell phone while driving, you're main focus is NOT on the driving, and you run a higher risk of an accident. :yes:
Yes if its absolutely necessary, then they can pull over. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to be talking/texting on a cell phone when driving.
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again, here lies the problem...they can't take your phone away...they have to have hardcore evidence to give you that ticket...otherwise you can just fight and win in court.
a good law? yes?
is it gonna work? no.
I think it's a great idea. Unless it's an emergency, there's absolutely no reason why you should be on a phone while driving. And besides, it's dangerous. Your mind can't focus on two things at once. So, if you're talking on the cell phone while driving, you're main focus is NOT on the driving, and you run a higher risk of an accident. :yes:
Yes if its absolutely necessary, then they can pull over. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to be talking/texting on a cell phone when driving.
gil, you'll understand how hard it can be to NOT talk/text on a phone while driving when you get a bit more of a social life. not to sound harsh, but you're not in HS yet, and don't drive.
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
it doesn't matter if the officer believed you were breaking the law. a warrant has to be issued to be allowed to go through your phone...meaning if it's confiscated, it's of the human nature to go through it.
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My old school bus driver I noticed almost always drove while talking on a cell phone, which is kind of scary. And, this bus is an 84 passenger rear-engine bus, so it's actually a bigger bus to operate than a conventional school bus. It's kind of ridiculous when a professionally trained driver feels the need to talk on his cell phone while taking many children to and from school. <_<
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
Yes, but if your using it and breaking a law, they can. That's like if you shot someone, they can/will take your gun. Exact same thing.
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The bottom line here Al is that many accidents can be avoided by paying a little more attention to the road and a little less to the phone. Maybe you'll change your outlook when someone you know gets killed by someone talking and driving. And don't think it can't happen, because the chances of it happening are damn good.
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
Yes, but if your using it and breaking a law, they can. That's like if you shot someone, they can/will take your gun. Exact same thing.
again, where lies the evidence?
The bottom line here Al is that many accidents can be avoided by paying a little more attention to the road and a little less to the phone. Maybe you'll change your outlook when someone you know gets killed by someone talking and driving. And don't think it can't happen, because the chances of it happening are darn good.
I'm not saying its a bad thing, i'm just saying it's not going to work.
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
Yes, but if your using it and breaking a law, they can. That's like if you shot someone, they can/will take your gun. Exact same thing.
again, where lies the evidence?
Most phones keep track of when calls are placed and/or received. You should check yours out, Surely it does too.
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The bottom line here Al is that many accidents can be avoided by paying a little more attention to the road and a little less to the phone. Maybe you'll change your outlook when someone you know gets killed by someone talking and driving. And don't think it can't happen, because the chances of it happening are darn good.
I agree with you 100%. Al, you obviously can't understand the seriousness of this. I know someone who was killed in an accident by someone who was too busy talking on a cell phone while driving. While it may not occur to you, hundreds or maybe thousands of these accidents happen every single day. And it can be prevented 100%
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My old school bus driver I noticed almost always drove while talking on a cell phone, which is kind of scary. And, this bus is an 84 passenger rear-engine bus, so it's actually a bigger bus to operate than a conventional school bus. It's kind of ridiculous when a professionally trained driver feels the need to talk on his cell phone while taking many children to and from school. <_<
84 passengers? The buses here don't hold nearly that much (they hold about 50-55).
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
Yes, but if your using it and breaking a law, they can. That's like if you shot someone, they can/will take your gun. Exact same thing.
again, where lies the evidence?
Most phones keep track of when calls are placed and/or received. You should check yours out, Surely it does too.
it can easily be deleted as well...americans now-a-days cheat their way around these things. this is what i'm trying to point out.
i'm not against it...so gil don't even start with me and seriousness.
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
Yes, but if your using it and breaking a law, they can. That's like if you shot someone, they can/will take your gun. Exact same thing.
again, where lies the evidence?
Most phones keep track of when calls are placed and/or received. You should check yours out, Surely it does too.
it can easily be deleted as well...
Not while your talking it can't!
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
Yes, but if your using it and breaking a law, they can. That's like if you shot someone, they can/will take your gun. Exact same thing.
again, where lies the evidence?
Most phones keep track of when calls are placed and/or received. You should check yours out, Surely it does too.
it can easily be deleted as well...
Not while your talking it can't!
LOL...
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84 passengers? The buses here don't hold nearly that much (they hold about 50-55).
The rear-engine buses here do (we only have a few of them in the district, though), however, the regular buses hold about 60 or so.
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Well by all means, they should do whatever it takes. It IS legal for them to confiscate it if they have reason to believe your breaking the law. If you don't want your precious phone taken away, then do the smart thing and don't talk/text while driving. :rolleyes:
again...THEY CAN'T. unless they have a warrant. it's part of your property.
Yes, but if your using it and breaking a law, they can. That's like if you shot someone, they can/will take your gun. Exact same thing.
again, where lies the evidence?
Most phones keep track of when calls are placed and/or received. You should check yours out, Surely it does too.
it can easily be deleted as well...
Not while your talking it can't!
as easily as it is to be pulled over and the time it takes for the officer to walk up to your car, that is plenty of time to get rid of the last call / text message AND put your phone away.
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
It sure does seem that way. :yes:
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
Well said!
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Wow i only posted this about a half an hour ago and its already a hot topic! :shocked:
Here's my side:
First I think it's good that such a law is in place that way the number of accidents caused by hooligans driving while on the phone can be reduced.
However, they allowed other "hand held devices" to use. I guess they mean walkie-talkies.
I dont think they should confiscate cell phones though. That seems kinda harsh
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
i'm just pointing out the facts. you can say i'm against it.
i'm not. responsibility? i'm a teenager, we don't do that. well most of the time we don't.
any teenager that says otherwise is flat out lying.
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
i'm just pointing out the facts. you can say i'm against it.
i'm not. responsibility? i'm a teenager, we don't do that. well most of the time we don't.
any teenager that says otherwise is flat out lying.
Hmm, maybe teenagers shouldn't be allowed to drive then...
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
i'm just pointing out the facts. you can say i'm against it.
i'm not. responsibility? i'm a teenager, we don't do that. well most of the time we don't.
any teenager that says otherwise is flat out lying.
I won't argue with that! Teenagers (and I know-I was one!) are the most irresponsible group of people there are! :lol:
I just wanted to comment on something you said at TWCC. So you think that outlawing driving while texting is stupid too? Maybe you also support driving while blindfolded?
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
i'm just pointing out the facts. you can say i'm against it.
i'm not. responsibility? i'm a teenager, we don't do that. well most of the time we don't.
any teenager that says otherwise is flat out lying.
Hmm, maybe teenagers shouldn't be allowed to drive then...
touche my friend. but it was inevitable to happen sometime or another...
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actually there are laws in certain states to ban teen driving.
Are half of cell phone related accidents caused by teen drivers?
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any teenager that says otherwise is flat out lying.
I'm a teenager, and I'm going to be very honest with you - I am quite responsible for what I do and for one thing I'm not going to do something stupid as talking on my cell phone when I drive. :no: And that's the 100% truth.
Maybe you also support driving while blindfolded?
Great idea! :D :lol:
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Teenagers are no where near responsible to drive. I'm all for raising the driving age to 18, if it means safer driving conditions.
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I think that we should just sum it up by saying that Al's against responsibility in its entirety. :P :lol:
i'm just pointing out the facts. you can say i'm against it.
i'm not. responsibility? i'm a teenager, we don't do that. well most of the time we don't.
any teenager that says otherwise is flat out lying.
I won't argue with that! Teenagers (and I know-I was one!) are the most irresponsible group of people there are! :lol:
I just wanted to comment on something you said at TWCC. So you think that outlawing driving while texting is stupid too? Maybe you also support driving while blindfolded?
well see, you don't even need your eyes to text...i text with out looking at my phone. many teenagers can do it...and they do it while driving too.
at first obviously your not going to get every letter, but when you work with it during classes (when you're not suppose to text) its practice basically.
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Maybe you also support driving while blindfolded?
Haha i wish :P :rofl2:
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But your still distracted. Your not paying as much attention to the road.
Seeing SSS's post, I should correct my statement: MOST teenagers are too irresponsible to drive.
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well see, you don't even need your eyes to text...i text with out looking at my phone. many teenagers can do it...and they do it while driving too.
But you're still putting half your focus on your cell phone. You need COMPLETE, 100% focus on the road while you're driving. :yes:
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well see, you don't even need your eyes to text...i text with out looking at my phone. many teenagers can do it...and they do it while driving too.
But you're still putting half your focus on your cell phone. You need COMPLETE, 100% focus on the road while you're driving. :yes:
You are simply amazing
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Teenagers are no where near responsible to drive. I'm all for raising the driving age to 18, if it means safer driving conditions.
NJ has already raised the driving age to 18, starting with the HS graduating class of 2011.
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true. very true. didn't think about that part. :P
most of my friends text at a stop light anyway.
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Teenagers are no where near responsible to drive. I'm all for raising the driving age to 18, if it means safer driving conditions.
NJ has already raised the driving age to 18, starting with the HS graduating class of 2011.
Oh ****! That's my gradruating year :angry:
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Let Al be the perfect example why cellphones should be banned from driving, and why Teens should not be allowed to drive. :D
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Oh ****! That's my gradruating year :angry:
Don't worry, there'll be one less idiot on the road for the next few years after that. ;)
J/K. :lol: :P
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I certainly think that Al's views are definitley fairly representative of what most teenagers would tell you. However, there are some responsible teenagers out there. But you know how it often goes-the majority are punished because of the minority.
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Oh ****! That's my gradruating year :angry:
Don't worry, there'll be one less idiot on the road for the next few years after that. ;)
J/K. :lol: :P
Well said.
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Oh ****! That's my gradruating year :angry:
Don't worry, there'll be one less idiot on the road for the next few years after that. ;)
J/K. :lol: :P
Hehe, i couldv'e sworn u meant me! :P :D
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Let Al be the perfect example why cellphones should be banned from driving, and why Teens should not be allowed to drive. :D
ok first off...i do not drive...i repeat i do not drive.
secondly, i still stand my case about the evidence thing and the warrant issues. they're simply too many loop holes in these so called "laws". there is actually this really funny loop hole my friend chase found about getting around a parking ticket he got at school, though this isn't the proper place for this.
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I certainly think that Al's views are definitley fairly representative of what most teenagers would tell you. However, there are some responsible teenagers out there. But you know how it often goes-the majority are punished because of the minority.
Well, what other way is there? It's impossible to do otherwise. Either they all get banned, or none do. Theres simply no other way.
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Let Al be the perfect example why cellphones should be banned from driving, and why Teens should not be allowed to drive. :D
ok first off...i do not drive...i repeat i do not drive.
secondly, i still stand my case about the evidence thing and the warrant issues. they're simply too many loop holes in these so called "laws". there is actually this really funny loop hole my friend chase found about getting around a parking ticket he got at school, though this isn't the proper place for this.
I'm sure your fellow Texans are relieved to know that you do not drive. :rofl2: :rofl2:
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I certainly think that Al's views are definitley fairly representative of what most teenagers would tell you. However, there are some responsible teenagers out there. But you know how it often goes-the majority are punished because of the minority.
i agree. :yes:
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Let Al be the perfect example why cellphones should be banned from driving, and why Teens should not be allowed to drive. :D
ok first off...i do not drive...i repeat i do not drive.
secondly, i still stand my case about the evidence thing and the warrant issues. they're simply too many loop holes in these so called "laws". there is actually this really funny loop hole my friend chase found about getting around a parking ticket he got at school, though this isn't the proper place for this.
I'm sure your fellow Texans are relieved to know that you do not drive. :rofl2: :rofl2:
yet... :ninja: :P. gettin' my license before senior year (this fall)
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I want to drive soon. Watch out there's a new driver in town!
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I want to drive soon. Watch out there's a new driver in town!
Good thing I don't plan to drive to New Jersey anytime soon. :ninja:
:P
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I want to drive soon. Watch out there's a new driver in town!
You'd be dangerous on a bicycle. :ph34r: :rofl2:
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I've never set foot in New Jersey. Don't plan to, either.
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I want to drive soon. Watch out there's a new driver in town!
You'd be dangerous on a bicycle. :ph34r: :rofl2:
He's probably dangerous on foot. :rofl2: :rofl2:
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Yep it's time for ya guys to get life insurance once i start driving :P
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I want to drive soon. Watch out there's a new driver in town!
You'd be dangerous on a bicycle. :ph34r: :rofl2:
Yah, I'd hate to see someone from Thunderville driving in this planet. :ninja:
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Has NASA even discovered Thunder's planet yet?
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I want to drive soon. Watch out there's a new driver in town!
You'd be dangerous on a bicycle. :ph34r: :rofl2:
Yah, I'd hate to see someone from Thunderville driving in this planet. :ninja:
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Well Mike, I live not too far from you so don't be surprised if you see someone driving the wrong way :P
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AFAIK, they've only discovered the 8 known planets in our galaxy. don't think they've discovered planets in other galaxies yet. :rofl2: :rofl2:
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I thought they've discovered thousands of planets?
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Good grief, no way. :no:
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Then what are the things that theyv'escaegbaefqerqgtg named???
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Then what are the things that theyv'escaegbaefqerqgtg named???
To my knowledge they've only named the planets, and the moons of each planet, which are not planets. I think they've also named some other things like comets, but those are not planets either.
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Then what are the things that theyv'escaegbaefqerqgtg named???
stars? they're only 8 named planets. not including pluto.
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Then what are the things that theyv'escaegbaefqerqgtg named???
They've only named Victor's planet yet, which no one in the generally public knows yet. :no: :rofl2:
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OT much? :whistling:
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I don't know!! I've seen lots of names of space things. :cry:
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It's amazing. This topic went from cell phones while driving to planet discussion. :lol:
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OT much? :whistling:
yeah, i was really tempted to ask that... :P
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we're going off topic <_<
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I've got a report on a post in this thread, I see nothing report worthy, so this thread is very much in danger of being locked. Control yourselves, and keep this thread on the topic at hand please.
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I've got a report on a post in this thread, I see nothing report worthy, so this thread is very much in danger of being locked. Control yourselves, and keep this thread on the topic at hand please.
I got the report, and I took care of what needed to be reported already. :yes: (The reported post in question was from Gil)
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Hmm what did i do?
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Something is seriously wrong here. I found that post report in my inbox! :shocked:
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Something is seriously wrong here. I found that post report in my inbox! :shocked:
Same here.
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It's because you guys are mods.
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It's because you guys are mods.
Ah, okay. That also explains why I can post in locked topics.
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It's because you guys are mods.
Ah, okay. That also explains why I can post in locked topics.
Yep. :yes:
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They are mods?
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They are mods?
Yes. That's been the case ever since the Jr. emulator project started. ;)
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They are mods?
Yes. That's been the case ever since the Jr. emulator project started. ;)
I thought they were only Beta testers.
I can post in locked topics too...does this mean I'm a mod?
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Yes
And FYI I posted the report because the nonsense is getting on my nerves <_<
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The next OT post in this thread will earn it a nice shiny lock.
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The next OT post in this thread will earn it a nice shiny lock.
What Do You Mean?
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I mean that this thread will be locked the next time someone posts something not related to the topic. <_<
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Getting back on topic, I know I'm late to the party, but I have to speak up. I raised this over at the same thread topic at TWC Classics, so here I go...
First of all, I don't know how anyone believes this law is a stupid idea. But it is even more stupid that drivers even think of texting while driving. You might as well give them a friggin' beer, have them drink it and try and drive a straight line.
I believe it will be difficult to enforce the law on those who are texting because unlike talking on the cell phone, you cannot with ease visibly see them doing it as it is when you can see someone holding the phone to their ear. The driver would be looking down while texting. Why do you think that we are seeing more and more cars being sold where in their commercials, either you can hook up your cell phone to your dashboard for speakphone use or better yet, have voice activation systems included where you can talk? To entice drivers to stop putting their cell phones to their ears and have two hands on the wheel and two eyes on the road while driving.
Al, how do you not need your eyes to text? That makes no sense. Unless you're one of the best typists in the country, I cannot see how this is possible especially while driving.
The bottom line is, like drunken driving, talking on cell phones and text messaging while driving causes accidents. That's what is at stake here. Some of them can be fatal. I've seen reports far too often of accidents happening as a result of an idiot chatting on their cell phone and yes, even texting.
If people are that friggin' lazy to get themselves a hands-free kit or pull over to the side of the road to text, then they shouldn't be driving. Then again, that's the problem. People are too distracted, too preoccupied with other things while driving. Hard to believe that there are people that actually groom, eat meals, do makeup, read newspapers or anything else while driving AT THE SAME TIME! I've seen it with my own two eyes.
Should these laws be enforced? darn right they should. Recently, I was late to work because of an accident that I later learned was caused by a driver that was talking on their cell phone. Again, I'm sure the police will find an effective way to catch offenders, but we aren't fully aware of what methods they are besides the obvious.
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I totally agree with you, Paul. :yes:
If people are that friggin' lazy to get themselves a hands-free kit
And even with a hands-free kit, you're still NOT paying 100% attention to the road. The human brain cannot focus on two things completely, at the same time. I don't care how well people think they can drive while talking on their cell phone or using a bluetooth, etc. headset. People NEED to be 100% focused on the road, AT ALL TIMES. :yes: If you drive while talking or texting on your cell phone, you're just setting yourself up for an accident. And that is not acceptable. :no:
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I agree with you that you as a driver aren't paying 100% attention to driving while using a hands-free kit, Stephen. But it's significantly safer than without it.
Another thing to consider. Putting a cell phone to your ear to talk and texting on highways (such as Interstates) as opposed to local secondary roads is even worse because the accident risk is higher with the higher traveling speeds and increased possibility of severe injury or fatalities. The risk is higher in more congested traffic zones as opposed to lighter volume areas.
The sad part of this whole debate on this issue is, there are so many countless drivers that are irresponsible on the road even for simple things such as cell phone/text messaging use as they drive, there is the need for state law enforcement. I don't mind the cell phone being used if you are in transit, but not at the exact same time you're driving. Pull over somewhere if there is the need to talk or text.
Maybe a handful of you have never experienced life without cell phones in our society, but it hasn't been that long since that was the case. But if we survived back then without cell phones, I'm sure for the short time you're on the road, we can still survive the need to talk on one while driving.
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Maybe a handful of you have never experienced life without cell phones in our society, but it hasn't been that long since that was the case. But if we survived back then without cell phones, I'm sure for the short time you're on the road, we can still survive the need to talk on one while driving.
The sad fact is, many people seem to "not be able to live without" cell phones, because I notice a lot of people using them during school and on the bus (which isn't allowed on either) all the time. I have a feeling that will be the same case when those people start to drive, too. <_<
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They should ban cell phones altogether. Are they really that necessary? No. In fact, they are unnecessary. We've lived without them up until the 90s or so, we can certainly do it now..
Paul, your post just made my day.
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I have to disagree with one thing Paul said, and that's that hands free talking is significantly safer. That's actually not true. It's actually only marginally safer, at best. No method of talking can change the fact that your attention is going to be on the discussion your having and not on the road. Even if you have both eyes on the road, your mentally not looking at the road.
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Even if your talking to another person in the car, its still just as distracting (well, maybe not as much) using a cell phone.
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how are people able to focus on the road on a phine w/o accident?
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Al, how do you not need your eyes to text? That makes no sense. Unless you're one of the best typists in the country, I cannot see how this is possible especially while driving.
talent, i gave examples...read through the thread again.
not to sound harsh. it is possible so don't play that card with me.
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Even if you have the so-called "talent" to text while driving, its completely impossible to have your full concentration on the road. Not sure what it's going to take to get that through your head...
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Al, how do you not need your eyes to text? That makes no sense. Unless you're one of the best typists in the country, I cannot see how this is possible especially while driving.
talent, i gave examples...read through the thread again.
not to sound harsh. it is possible so don't play that card with me.
The only talent you have Al is for being irresponsible and coming up with devious ways to shed any responsibility.
I'm sorry to bust your bubble, but there is no such talent. And that kind of attitude is what kills people.
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ok guys, you know what? ask me if i care? because truthfully, i don't...if you all HAD social lives, you'd know there is such talent, and you would also know how hard it is to not talk/text on the phone....as for gil, I already cleared that up, i know it STILL takes some distraction away from the driver. i don't know why you insist on bring back what was already settled.
-later.
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1. Don't preach to me about having a social life.
2. The reason it's still under discussion is because you still can't seem to get it. It's not a talent. If that's what you want to consider it as, fine, but its not. Its a distraction, and its unnecessary. Damn kids these days...
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ok guys, you know what? ask me if i care? because truthfully, i don't...if you all HAD social lives, you'd know there is such talent, and you would also know how hard it is to not talk/text on the phone....as for gil, I already cleared that up, i know it STILL takes some distraction away from the driver. i don't know why you insist on bring back what was already settled.
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LOL, all I can say Al is that you, my friend, have a very warped though process.
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Hmmm...
Page 1: Gil - "Yes if its absolutely necessary, then they can pull over. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to be talking/texting on a cell phone when driving."
*CE skips from page one to 8, assuming a huge debate went on*
Page 8: Gil - "Don't preach to me about having a social life."
Assumption confirmed :ninja:
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Hmmm...
Page 1: Gil - "Yes if its absolutely necessary, then they can pull over. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to be talking/texting on a cell phone when driving."
*CE skips from page one to 8, assuming a huge debate went on*
Page 8: Gil - "Don't preach to me about having a social life."
Assumption confirmed :ninja:
LOL, of course a hug debate went on. you and I both know a topic like this jsut can't go without a huge debate. :P :lol:
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LOL :P
I'm just going to issue a brief statement: We need a new law that requires everyone to be in the right lane. Just one constant line of traffic in the right lane. Then everyone's safe, no? And everyone must, and everyone must, and everyone must....
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LOL :P
I'm just going to issue a brief statement: We need a new law that requires everyone to be in the right lane. Just one constant line of traffic in the right lane. Then everyone's safe, no? And everyone must, and everyone must, and everyone must....
You know, such a law wouldn't be bad. I can't tell you how many idiotic lane changes I've seen over the years. But like every other aspect of driving, that goes back to paying attention and using your brain, two things that people have a hard time doing while behind the wheel.
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The biggest problem is that people are in too big of a hurry...
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True. People dont even have time to spend with their kids
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Hmmm...
Page 1: Gil - "Yes if its absolutely necessary, then they can pull over. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to be talking/texting on a cell phone when driving."
*CE skips from page one to 8, assuming a huge debate went on*
Page 8: Gil - "Don't preach to me about having a social life."
Assumption confirmed :ninja:
I'm confused. what does that have to do with anything?
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Hmmm...
Page 1: Gil - "Yes if its absolutely necessary, then they can pull over. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to be talking/texting on a cell phone when driving."
*CE skips from page one to 8, assuming a huge debate went on*
Page 8: Gil - "Don't preach to me about having a social life."
Assumption confirmed :ninja:
I'm confused. what does that have to do with anything?
Technically, nothing at all. :P
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So...what was the point of that, then?
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That I don't know. :dunno:
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You people sure find good ways to confuse me. That must be what everyone does late at night, thinking of ways to confuse stupid Gil.
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Hmmm...
Page 1: Gil - "Yes if its absolutely necessary, then they can pull over. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to be talking/texting on a cell phone when driving."
*CE skips from page one to 8, assuming a huge debate went on*
Page 8: Gil - "Don't preach to me about having a social life."
Assumption confirmed :ninja:
I'm confused. what does that have to do with anything?
Umm, it's pretty simple, really. I see a huge ass thread, so I read page one, skip the middle, then read page eight, and notice it ends with "Don't preach to me about having a social life." as if that has anything to do with the topic. Get it now?
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Hmmm...heh, i get it. Be nice, I'm slow...
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And what is it with all these overgeneralizations? "People today can't..." "People are in too big a hurry" "People are too lazy"
I guess life has just become so simple that every individual gets clumped into the "people" category...no wonder a law like "Noone can use a cell phone while driving" makes sense to you all :dunno:
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Well when only a handful of people don't do any of those behaviors, what else could be said? "people" just suck these days.
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Okaay, and I'd like to know how you went about to obtain that figure of "a handful"
You act like there was no stupid people before the overgeneralization of "these days" (whenever that is)
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Well people have gotten a lot stupider over the years.
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We're really gettin places with this :unsure:
Or maybe the actual amount of stupid-proof laws just rose
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Methinks this topic has just about run its course. <_<
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Me has more thoughts. I'm sorry. :(
Why do people seem to have a dependence on technology these days? Why is it that people cannot stand to be away from their phones/ipods/technologically-entertaining devices for one single second? If you ask me, cell phones should be banned completely. They are unnecessary and do more harm than good. Another thing that gets me is that people, especially in my area, seem to think that the law doesn't apply to them. We need to do a mass extermination of the idiots/self-centered :censored:-heads in this country. Let's start with George Bush and his fellow Republicans. :yes: